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Old 09-19-2018, 09:06 AM   #466
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Just going to post this retrospective on the history of KDE, which I keep intending to watch and still haven't:

FOSS Backstage 18: Lydia Pintscher Evolving KDE - how we figured out what we want to do together
watched it, lost focus very fast, not interesting content, nothing new. summary KDE has no focus but now they have again. confirms only existing critics, imho.
if there has been something other/different in this talk, pls let me konw
 
Old 11-04-2018, 09:20 PM   #467
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I just stumbled across this on DistroWatch.com and was a bit surprised. Has this been common knowledge?

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"....... Future versions will also drop support for KDE Plasma, suggesting Red Hat plans to streamline its support coverage: "KDE Plasma Workspaces (KDE), which has been provided as an alternative to the default GNOME desktop environment has been deprecated. A future major release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux will no longer support using KDE instead of the default GNOME desktop environment."
https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20181105#news
 
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Old 11-04-2018, 09:29 PM   #468
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I just stumbled across this on DistroWatch.com and was a bit surprised. Has this been common knowledge?
Interesting. I know Eric maintains KDE for Slackware, perhaps we can use his packages. XFCE is always a good option. Mate is another option.
 
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Old 11-04-2018, 09:37 PM   #469
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I just stumbled across this on DistroWatch.com and was a bit surprised. Has this been common knowledge?



https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20181105#news
Here's a little blurb from https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...eprecates_kde/ that should clear things up a bit:

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To be clear, Red Hat heavily backs the Linux desktop environment GNOME, which is developed as an independent open-source project and is also used by a large bunch of other distros. And although Red Hat is signalling the end of the road for KDE support in RHEL, KDE is very much its own independent project that will continue on its own, with or without future RHEL editions' blessings.
 
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Old 11-04-2018, 11:38 PM   #470
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I just stumbled across this on DistroWatch.com and was a bit surprised. Has this been common knowledge?
No, that was the first I've heard of it... but personally, I couldn't care.

RH can do whatever they like with their distro. This just makes me even less inclined to switch to it at any point in future.
 
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:12 AM   #471
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I just stumbled across this on DistroWatch.com and was a bit surprised. Has this been common knowledge?

No, but I'm not seeing how Redhat's decision to stop shipping KDE affects any distro that isn't Redhat-based.
 
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Old 11-05-2018, 12:33 AM   #472
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Not a big deal. There is still Fedora and EPEL. When Red Hat says support they mean they do not want you to pay them to support something not part of the shipped distribution. Just tightening focus is all. Do they support XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon, etc?
 
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Old 11-05-2018, 07:07 AM   #473
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I just stumbled across this on DistroWatch.com and was a bit surprised. Has this been common knowledge?



https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20181105#news
Known about this since a couple of articles appeared in my feedreader. Not surprised as all by this. Red Hat has favored GNOME for years.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/1...eprecates_kde/
https://jriddell.org/2018/11/02/red-hat-and-kde/

Don't see how this is relevant to Slackware and don't see this affecting KDE at all.
 
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Old 11-05-2018, 01:38 PM   #474
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https://spins.fedoraproject.org/en/kde/

See. Nothing has changed. This makes not even a ripple in the tech world, do listen to the propagandist writers who cannot get a tech job so write click bait nonsense.

Postscript: All that will happen is that KDE will continue on in Red Hat in the EPEL/COPR through Fedora. Which is what people use anyways as RHEL is pretty dated.

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Old 11-05-2018, 07:56 PM   #475
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Which is what people use anyways as RHEL is pretty dated.
Businesses use CentOS and RHEL so that will be an adjustment for those end-users who are accustomed to KDE when the next version of RHEL is released.
This isn't an issue for me as I don't use Red Hat(other than a CentOS VM).
 
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Old 01-18-2019, 04:02 PM   #476
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OK. a day or so ago I installed AlienBob's latest KDE-5 packages and some things have improved.

It no longer scrambles the Xfce appearance settings.
It still leaves numerous files all over the hard drive.
It uses very little, relatively speaking, resources when running a KDE application from within another DE, e.g., Xfce. After opening and closing K3b, there were only two items left running and between the two of them they were only using 49.3 megabytes.
Some of the artwork has been changed, for the better.
I didn't use it long before going back to Xfce, but, overall, a definite improvement.

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Old 01-19-2019, 02:30 AM   #477
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The mtp transfer problem in dolphin, is solved also now, (kio-mtp)
 
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Old 01-19-2019, 02:56 AM   #478
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However, they still have the souls sold to Intel...

NVidia users still have major (and laughable) issues with the proprietary drivers and about AMD, what I can say...

I bought recently a Dell Radeon R5 240, which is a quite respectable business/office/workstation/whatever-but-not-gaming card with TDP of 50W and capable of OpenGL 4.5 with the open-source MESA, but I still needed to reduce the strength of "blur" effect to avoid the heavy burden on it, with disappointing effects on its fan speed running at max. You can believe that?

I think I understand Mr. Volkerding's reticence to include that DE which works fine by default only with Intel graphics, otherwise requiring laughable high graphics specs.

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Old 01-19-2019, 04:52 AM   #479
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YMMV dept:

I have been using the -latest Plasma5 updates and ALL of my issues have gradually been fixed.
I am on the -current 64-bit Slackware path with its frequent upgrades.

KDE5 now works great with my Wacom Tablet and finds it and calibrates it just fine.
I seldom need an xsetwacom script anymore.
I dont have any issues with my NVidia gtx1060 mini-itx graphics card and sometimes
I run up to 4 separate monitors, all displaying something different, at home, in the office,
on the road with my "luggable" m-itx. I am using the invidious NVIDIA 410.73 driver and I
report "No issues at all". Not all of the NVIDIA driver revisions are good for me. I had
to revert back to 410.73 after trying 415.xx something or other.
I dont find that trouble had anything to do with KDE5 because a reboot to Fluxbox
or XFCE produced similar trouble. 415.xx was a beta version so I dont blame anybody,
I just went back to the previous 410.73 that works good.

The nouveau project continues to make progress and I am glad to have that driver option
but it is not-as-good as the NVIDIA driver for me.

My asrock mitx motherboard includes an onboard intel graphics card which i seldom use because
it lacks the horsepower to drive all of the displays that I want and I hate getting screen tearing
in a public presentation with the Wacom Tablet and OpenBoard on a video screen.

KDE5 simplifies my work and it is lovely to look at.
I use fluxbox sometimes and I like its agility particularly when I want several terminals open all doing
something different.

Dolphin is working better with mtp but I feel that PCmanFM is a better choice for handling stuff from my cell phone.
I use dolphin most of the time though when not using the command line.
The root-enabled Super-User Mode Dolphin is also useful for me at times
when/if I want more than the command line interface.

I have had Cinnamon on my machine but it is a PITA to keep it going if one runs with -current,
and Finding "Nemo" and finding out how to kill "nemo" were both problems I dont want anymore.
i dont seem to be worthy of using thunar. pcmanfm is good to have on hand.


I have no interest in going back to KDE4 (what4?) and I definitely want KDE5 for my daily use.
 
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Old 01-19-2019, 05:46 AM   #480
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KDE5 works great on my Ryzen 2700X + Vega 64 desktop, as you'd expect, but it also works quite well on my laptop.

The laptop is an elderly AMD E-350 netbook APU which was low end when it was brand new in 2011. KDE5 is less snappy but still works great. The E-350's GPU doesn't have any problem with the compositor or the default graphical effects. I don't know what's up with LuckyCyborg's video card, but the E-350's built in graphics are probably as weak as it gets for systems that are still in use.

I'd be happy to see KDE5 land in -current.
 
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