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Old 07-06-2018, 12:43 PM   #226
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.....As for all the issues cwizardone brought up, I've had Plasma 5 installed at various points during the last several years, and I've never run into any of them. Does Plasma 5 really screw up Xfce settings if you don't even run start up the Plasma 5 desktop? That doesn't seem possible....
To answer your question, Yes, it does screw up the Xfce settings even if you don't start up plasma-5.
I ignored the little voice in my head telling me not to do it and just, with in the last several minutes, installed plasma-5. I did NOT start it, but after it was installed, went straight back into Xfce. As previously mentioned, plasma-5 overrides the Xfce theme colors and the keyboard volume controls no longer work, and, as I said, I haven't even started plasma-5.
I'm done.
The next step is to remove plasma-5 and this time I won't even bother to re-install kde-4. Enough of this nonsense!

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Old 07-06-2018, 01:27 PM   #227
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Keep calm and breathe, my friend!

Slackware is sound and well, even with no KDE or Qt software at all. It is still Slackware.

BTW, as more I use Plasma5, more I love XFCE thought. Could explain that?

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Old 07-07-2018, 10:08 AM   #228
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Just went to use my VPN for the first time since installing kde-5 yesterday and discovered all the passwords for the various servers I use have all been deleted and Xfce is asking to establish a keyring, which I haven't used in the past (like yesterday morning).
 
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Old 07-07-2018, 10:54 AM   #229
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BTW, as more I use Plasma5, more I love XFCE thought. Could explain that?
I prefer MATÉ. This being said I have installed openSUSE 15 Leap with plasma 5.12 to test EFI3M.

The desktop and yast2 look sleek and neat to my old eyes.
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:21 AM   #230
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I prefer MATÉ. This been said I have installed openSUSE 15 Leap with plasma 5.12 to test EFI3M.

The desktop and yast2 look sleek and neat to my old eyes.
I have one openSUSE 'Tumbleweed' installed here, their plasma theme is very elegant
 
Old 07-07-2018, 02:28 PM   #231
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My understanding is that those shouldn't be used, and you're supposed to just use what's shipped with X by default now?
 
Old 07-07-2018, 04:44 PM   #232
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I prefer MATÉ. This being said I have installed openSUSE 15 Leap with plasma 5.12 to test EFI3M.

The desktop and yast2 look sleek and neat to my old eyes.
Me too, I prefer MATE. MATE + Compiz-reloaded + Numix is so far the best Linux desktop for me.

In anticipation of Plasma5 in current I tried the KDE spinoffs of several major distributions . I also tried Neon and ktown. So far Tumbleweed showed less buggy and somewhat usable. But the KIO network issues are a showstopper for me.

So I keep a current VM without XFCE KDE4 and the KDE related stuff in /l. It will be easier to create Palsma5-free tagfiles when 15 comes out.


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Old 07-07-2018, 07:58 PM   #233
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So I keep a current VM without XFCE KDE4 and the KDE related stuff in /l. It will be easier to create Palsma5-free tagfiles when 15 comes out.
I understand then that you know the KDE related stuff from l/

You are kind to tell me the names of the KDE related stuff from l/ ?

I work in a script named "plasma5cleaner", for fully removal of Plasma 5 and everything related only to Plasma 5, from the future Slackware 15, as shown there: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...8/#post5876011
 
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Old 07-07-2018, 11:14 PM   #234
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You are kind to tell me the names of the KDE related stuff from l/ ?

I work in a script named "plasma5cleaner", for fully removal of Plasma 5 and everything related only to Plasma 5, from the future Slackware 15, as shown there: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...8/#post5876011
I asked a similar question a while ago for KDE4: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ly-4175616051/

As you can read, I ended up making only the KDE series itself plus akonadi optional during installation.

The list of packages that will not be installed in Slint 14.2.1 if you don't want KDE is here.

But you could as well keep Plasma5 and not show the corresponding applications in menus of other DEs., see the scripts hide_kde_apps and show_kde_apps.

I won't decide what to do with Plasma5 until the list of packages has stabilized enough but almost certainly will keep all libraries installed in any case, as there is no benefit removing them: that would just save a few MB on a mass storage device, keeping them won't hurt at all, and I wouldn't take the risk that some software not related to KDE miss a dependency, including third party ones

Long story short, I'd suggest that you remove only plasma5 proper if you don't want it but no "related" package in other series. This is assuming that packages in Slackware will still be sorted in series, on which I have no clue.
 
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Old 07-08-2018, 12:23 AM   #235
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You are kind to tell me the names of the KDE related stuff from l/ ?
Well, for now in current, in theory there is nothing strictly KDE related in /l. In practice akonadi is the only package that is used only by KDE, but it was supposed to be a PIM database used by other projects too. For now I remove these packages from /l:
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akonadi
attica
automoc4
libbluedevil
qimageblitz
shared-desktop-ontologies
soprano
strigi
taglib-extras
virtuoso-ose
There are also some libs used only by Calligra, but they can be used by Libreoffice too, so I keep them. Grantlee could be removed eventually. And phonon is another mess that Qt/PyQt could eventually use, so it stays for now. Eigen2/3 is also rarely used (opencv). Polkit-qt can be removed, but this will eventually break lxqt.

It is not that simple w/o dependency info. I use this script to find the dependencies and detect missing libs.

In 14.2 and in current for now skipping /kde makes your system practically KDE-free. I am afraid it wont be the case with Plasma5. So I keep a clean install where I could eventually add some packages if needed instead of trying to find what Plasma5 dependencies can be safely removed.


Cheers
 
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