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Old 09-04-2019, 08:59 AM   #451
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And it's a massive 556 distros that are using, and have used, systemd if one includes everything.
How many of these distros are shallow clones of debian, ubuntu, arch, redhat or even opensuse? I think the number would be more telling if it was only distros that could survive if their upstream vanished.
 
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Old 09-04-2019, 10:22 AM   #452
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Knoppix 8.6 first wide public release to abandon systemd

https://www.osnews.com/story/130568/...andon-systemd/
 
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Old 09-04-2019, 11:56 AM   #453
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How many of these distros are shallow clones of debian, ubuntu, arch, redhat or even opensuse? I think the number would be more telling if it was only distros that could survive if their upstream vanished.
You do realize, I hope, that those you named - Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Redhat and Suse - comprise in excess of 80+% of all Linux users, right?
 
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Old 09-04-2019, 12:27 PM   #454
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You do realize, I hope, that those you named - Debian, Ubuntu, Arch, Redhat and Suse - comprise in excess of 80+% of all Linux users, right?
Yes, most distros are just shallow forks that don't differ in any significant way from their upstream. Those five consist of most of the popular ones.
 
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Old 09-07-2019, 07:38 PM   #455
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...one thing I really dislike about it are binary logs. I just think text is better but that's it.
Is there some reason why the binary logs can't be automagically exported to text? (Cuz there's nothing worse than needing a logfile you can't read...)

Assuming it doesn't yet exist, maybe someone competent to write it (this, alas, would not be me) could create a service to export text logs?
 
Old 09-08-2019, 02:54 AM   #456
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Is there some reason why the binary logs can't be automagically exported to text? (Cuz there's nothing worse than needing a logfile you can't read...)

Assuming it doesn't yet exist, maybe someone competent to write it (this, alas, would not be me) could create a service to export text logs?
What distros often do is install syslogd/klogd and have them read input from the socket that journald provides for this purpose. Then they create text logs alongside the binary one. The idea is that you use the text logs if you just want to see what happened and the binary journal if you want to do a selective analysis. But it all seems a bit kludgy to me.
 
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Old 09-08-2019, 12:42 PM   #457
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My own position (which I guess is relevant to this thread, still? Maybe?) is that while I respect Poettering's ability to design and implement complex systems, he doesn't seem to be self aware enough to realize he's been adding complexity to systemd as he goes, all the while adding bugs he doesn't seem to want to fix. […].
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Old 09-08-2019, 02:03 PM   #458
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So reconquista_2.0 your first post here is to personally attack someone you probably never met and who can't respond as it is unlikely that he reads your post? I don't know you but will assume that you can do better than that. Please try.

Have a good day,

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Old 09-08-2019, 02:09 PM   #459
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So reconquista_2.0 your first post here is to personally attack someone you probably never met and who can't respond as it is unlikely that he reads you post? I don't know you but will assume that you can do better than that. Please try.

Have a good day,
Weird that the Poettering comment appeared to bother you more than the "most devs are beta and gamma guys as per the socio-sexual hierarchy" line.
 
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Old 09-08-2019, 02:13 PM   #460
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A US company here in Ireland offered me a job in IT and I was staggered to learn how poor the pay was. On a par with McDonalds, and not even at manager level. IT is critical to every sector of society now, yet the bean counters seem to think IT is no more important than serving burgers. Something doesn't add up.
You can outsource those bits that don't require physical access to the hardware to almost anywhere in the world, where European/American burger flipping pay would be considered good money. There can be drawbacks to doing that, but those drawbacks don't show up until after the suit who dreamed up moving IT operations overseas has gone on to bigger and better things.
 
Old 09-08-2019, 02:51 PM   #461
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So reconquista_2.0 your first post here is to personally attack someone you probably never met and who can't respond as it is unlikely that he reads you post? I don't know you but will assume that you can do better than that. Please try.

Have a good day,
Agreed. I also hope that he/she will become a contributing member here at LQ.
 
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Old 09-08-2019, 04:29 PM   #462
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IQ is not the issue at all, especially when not accompanied by experience. It is extremely common that high IQ comes with difficulties with focus not to mention social awkwardness which Lennart does or at least has exhibited. I do understand why you might feel that way since many early videos (I'm assuming that like me you never actually met the man) showed him in a light of smugness and confrontational attitude that literally gave me an urge to punch his nose and shout, "Lighten up!" but that is an extremely limited experience of any man and may be attributed to his being quite young and having experienced considerable resistance exactly because of his intellect and youth. Lately he seems much more adept at being less defensive and obnoxious. That may be because his resume is looking pretty damned good after such a tsunami as he created that has now withstood the test of a decade of very wide deployment.

Also the correlation between the speed of speech and brain power has far more to do with metabolism than IQ and is not a valid complaint or assessment. Your post reminds me of a comedic routine by Marc Maron in which he noted the irony of so many people calling David Koresh a delusional idiot. The punchline was "He convinced 200 people that he was Jesus. What have you done lately?"

Bottom Line - The proof is in the pudding and after more than a decade, not to mention IBM buying out RedHat for $34,000,000,000.00 USD, of which Poettering seems some not insignificant contributor, it hardly seems Lennart is ineffective. I don't like systemd and I utterly despise Pulseaudio but the man behind them does deserve some respect. Give him some time. He's just now maturing, which incidentally such "late blooming" is very common in those of higher IQ.
 
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Old 09-08-2019, 06:18 PM   #463
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RH was a business failure, IBM needed some Enterprise Unix/Linux solution for running on their Enterprise HW, the price they paid was astronomical but so are their profits and regarding Monsieur P as a significant contributor/driver is not really appropriate, he was told what to do and you got his interpretations and deliverables, the outcomes that you (and I) "love" so much. I'm not impressed.
 
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Old 09-08-2019, 08:27 PM   #464
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I don't think that Poettering is that smart, there are developers who I see as having a way higher IQ (though most devs are beta and gamma guys as per the socio-sexual hierarchy). Also note how how fast he talks (proxy for being a midwit). He is a very obnoxious and cocky person, not anyone I would respect much.
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RH was a business failure
Oh, boy. Yet another fous du roi wannabees. RedHat is a very successful business that hires a lot of talented people. It has been supporting and contributing a lot to the open source community for the last 20 years. In comparison Slackware spent the last 20 years packaging and selling other people's work on DVD without contributing anything back, until it went broke due to lack of customers (did some fool believe the story about the store not paying).

The end result of all this pooping on everything that has been developed in the last 20 years is that Pat is paid less than a seasonal mexican worker to compile the least functional version of LFS for a bunch of grumpy old men.


Cheers
 
Old 09-08-2019, 08:44 PM   #465
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In comparison Slackware spent the last 20 years packaging and selling other people's work on DVD without contributing anything back, until it went broke due to lack of customers (did some fool believe the story about the store not paying).
I really don't appreciate your implying that Pat is a liar; and that we are fools for believing him.

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