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Old 06-03-2021, 11:08 AM   #1
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Installing Slackware 1.1 from 55 floppies (livestream)


Apologies if this isn't the right forum for this.

The YouTube user NCommander will be making a livestream where he'll install Slackware 1.1 (from 1993) by using 55 floppy disks.

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"This is my first exploration of Slackware from 1993, and we'll be trying to install all packages, exploring it, trying to get X working, and perhaps compile some retro computer goodness like NetHack."
The stream will go live in 45 hours at the time of this posting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6GRLhVXYMk

I'm sure this will be quite enjoyable (and painful) to watch.

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Old 06-03-2021, 11:34 AM   #2
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Thanks! That is interesting and I will very likely watch the whole thing. An interesting aside that surely demonstrates one difference between Assembly and C is that also in 1993, OS/2 2.1 was released, written in Assembly and contained in roughly 24 x 1.44MB diskettes. Warp 3 a few years later kept to approximately the same number (28 iirc) by formatting the install diskettes to 1.68MB. That's less than half the 54 for Slackware 1.1, largely in C. I do miss Assembly but I haven't written a "MOV" in decades . The only thing I miss about floppies these days is the sounds of the servos.
 
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Old 06-03-2021, 12:48 PM   #3
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The only thing I miss about floppies these days is the sounds of the servos.
Have you seen MrSolidSnake745's youtube channel? He creates music with the servos from floppy disk drives.

Here's Imperial March from Star Wars.
 
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Old 06-03-2021, 02:54 PM   #4
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Red face huh?

Memories! I did just that circa aught-ninety three with Slackware-1.2.0. Why on earth some fool wants to replicate those days of tedium. Most of the time is spent waiting for the floppies to copy contents. What's he going to do, just sit there and listen to the floppy drive, waiting for it to stop so he can swap discs? This should attract folks who were as-yet unborn circa 1993. I'd be happy to demonstrate the procedure, if only I could find an antique computer with an isa/eisa bus and a floppy drive.

http://psnarf.org/pub/Slackware/Slackware-1.2.0_1.jpg
 
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Old 06-03-2021, 03:14 PM   #5
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Why on earth some fool wants to replicate those days of tedium.
That's kind of his thing. Trying out old software and seeing how it fails and how he'll be able to recover from those failures.
NCommander seems to be a very knowledgeable developer and he goes to extreme lengths to achieve the set goal - he even wrote a kernel patch for SLS Linux to be able to run it, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0NM-AfmZPM

I also enjoyed the two streams where he tried upgrading through all versions of OS/2 - it failed horrible in a lot of ways but he was even able to bypass a licensing check IBM had put in place.
 
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Old 06-03-2021, 04:10 PM   #6
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OT -- Danny, your Cinelerra-gg link is broken, perhaps because they're releasing the software only in AppImage format now.
 
Old 06-03-2021, 04:56 PM   #7
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OT -- Danny, your Cinelerra-gg link is broken, perhaps because they're releasing the software only in AppImage format now.
Thanks. I haven't worked on SlackBuilds for a very long time due to life and jobs and...stuff.
Removed that one from my signature now.

Maybe one day I'll get back into these things. Slackware was my main distribution for many years and I still like it a lot.
It's just not really useable as a daily driver anymore when your day job now involves the Adobe Creative Cloud.

(If there still any builds on slackbuilds.org with my name attached to them, consider them abandoned and feel free to delete them/take over maintenance)

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Old 06-03-2021, 05:03 PM   #8
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The only thing I miss about floppies these days is the sounds of the servos.
Around 15 years ago, we had an issue in the office where our Online Banking software stopped working. The bank sent us a password 'reset' disk... But none of the computers in the office had floppy drives. We had to buy a USB floppy drive to get it working.

After that, I put the floppy drive back in its box and into a desk drawer. Fast forward to 2 years ago, one of our clients brought in a floppy with their information on it. So I got the USB floppy drive out. The kids in the office had never heard the sound before and thought that someone was breaking wind.
 
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Old 06-03-2021, 05:25 PM   #9
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Thanks. I haven't worked on SlackBuilds for a very long time due to life and jobs and...stuff.
Removed that one from my signature now.
You'll also undoubtedly be saddened to hear William Morrow, main developer on cinelerra-gg, was killed in a traffic accident late last year.
 
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Old 06-03-2021, 06:03 PM   #10
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You'll also undoubtedly be saddened to hear William Morrow, main developer on cinelerra-gg, was killed in a traffic accident late last year.
That indeed makes me incredibly sad. Him and Phyllis have been amazing people, supporting such a big software project like a nonlinear video editor mostly by themselves for a very long time. I feel like this thread is not the correct place to talk about it, though. I might check out the Cinelerra GG forums later...

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Fast forward to 2 years ago, one of our clients brought in a floppy with their information on it.
Time seems to be going differently in certain places. 2 years ago a client of ours brought in a CD with information on it and we weren't able to use it. An office full of Macbooks with all kinds of USB and Lightning adapters at hand but not one single optical drive...
 
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Here's Imperial March from Star Wars.
Amazing!!
 
Old 06-03-2021, 08:47 PM   #12
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FWIW the motors on floppy drivers are steppers, not servos

I got married and bought a house in 1995 so it would have been just after that I remember installing from floppy, the A set was three disks if i recall, then more for each set. It took forever to install then forever to compile a kernel to support my video and nic.
 
Old 06-03-2021, 10:03 PM   #13
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Goodness. Not sure I ever completed an install from floppies. Have vague memories of doing a very minimal install from floppies and then installing packages from another partition.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 02:33 AM   #14
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Time seems to be going differently in certain places. 2 years ago a client of ours brought in a CD with information on it and we weren't able to use it.
Don't worry, I've got a USB CD/DVD drive too... also in it's box in the same desk drawer.
 
Old 06-04-2021, 10:57 AM   #15
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I also enjoyed the two streams where he tried upgrading through all versions of OS/2 - it failed horrible in a lot of ways but he was even able to bypass a licensing check IBM had put in place.
I can see why stock OS/2 up to Warp 3 would have some problems on new hardware but Warp 4, WSeB, and the follow up variants after IBM sold it should work on most hardware as recent as 2010. The licensing dodge was easily available from as far back as 1996 and necessary in some instances even for legit, paid for versions (it could foul up the works re-checking). They only grey area I indulged in was using new drivers from the eComStation demo disk but that was mostly for trivial stuff like audio chipset drivers. The biggest issues for me had to do with new busses, like SATA, but Dani's drivers dealt with that handily.

Do you have a link for his OS/2 efforts?
 
  


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