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Old 07-16-2020, 04:48 PM   #16
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I happen to agree that very large storage will remain hdd for some time but I'm pretty sure that's a fairly small percentage of the storage mmarket. Put another way there can be no doubt that the vast numbers of SOHO users all over the world has brought down prices on storage via Supply and Demand, and that block shifting to SSD (assuming the average user gets by with a few TB) will have an impact on both price and production numbers for hdd. In short, prices are plummeting now but I bet before very long they start to rise. I guess we shall see.
 
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I happen to agree that very large storage will remain hdd for some time but I'm pretty sure that's a fairly small percentage of the storage mmarket. Put another way there can be no doubt that the vast numbers of SOHO users all over the world has brought down prices on storage via Supply and Demand, and that block shifting to SSD (assuming the average user gets by with a few TB) will have an impact on both price and production numbers for hdd. In short, prices are plummeting now but I bet before very long they start to rise. I guess we shall see.
The drives that are typically used in SOHO requirements tend to be cheap due to the advances in the large capacity drives at the time. The real cost in storage is developing the methods and hardware to store larger amounts of data in the same physical space. Once those breakthroughs are made, all capacities using that technology will benefit and cheaper prices will follow for the lower capacities (and the bigger capacities as production ramps up).
 
Old 07-18-2020, 01:35 PM   #18
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Hello again bassmadrigal I understand and agree about the more common price fluctuations in all technology but of course in storage as well. However a little over one month ago, my neighbor commented that he'd bought two 1TB WD (Blue, iirc) drives online for roughly $120 USD each... in fact with his Covid19 stimulus money so you can see there is a limit on how far back in time we are talking. Right now, less than 6 weeks later, such drives are commonly UNDER $30 USD and even Enterprise quality WD Gold 1TB drives are under $80 USD.

Maybe I'm mistaken but it seems to me the technology (and volume of sales) breakthroughs have been mainly in SSD technology and production that have bled over to affect the demand for mechanical drives. I'll venture to say it is almost certainly a factor. The overall issue of quick obsolecence it is one of the factors that has "helped" the demise of brick and mortar stores who can get stuck with inventory few want.

If we talk general hardware manufacturing processes I think some of this quick obsolescence is planned for by manufacturers to increase sales volume. A case in point might be that Socket 7 started with CPUs under 100MHz and ended many years later (well over a decade) at ~2000MHz. Intel just released socket LGA 1200. Boards having it were barely available until a month ago yet Intel is already deprecating LGA 1200. It is entirely common that if a manufacturer invents a breakthrough that leaps from "A" to say "E", they don't release "E" (or if they do is is orders of magnitude higher in price) but rather "milk that new cow" for all it's worth by progressing through releases of "B", "C", and "D".

Bottom Line - Technology is an ultimate factor but Marketing is right up there and a very powerful force. Being able to not only respond quickly to trends but also shape them is a huge part of modern business. Ultimately Software is cheaper than Hardware and one doesn't have to worry about Inventory.
 
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Supply and demand do definitely play a factor in price, but the lower capacity drives (in today's terms) are ultimately able to be cheaper than when they were yesterday's mid capacity drives due to improvements in today's high capacity drives.

There will definitely be a price swing with lower capacity drives as more and more people switch to NAND based storage, but manufacturers will just adjust by not making as many lower capacity drives. But the amount per GB price will continue to drop as breakthroughs are made on the high capacity drives (or maybe not "made", but "released", since it is possible they are holding back technology to get more bang for the buck).
 
Old 07-19-2020, 02:07 AM   #20
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It worked. Thanks.

@kgha @frankbell - Thanks for suggestions.

First, I installed kde-baseapps, kde-runtime, kdelibs and then, kdenlive. However, then icons were missing on kdenlive. To solve it, I installed oxygen theme. At first, Kdenlive did not detect ffmepg, which was installed from slackbuilds. I had to install the same from alienbob's repository. It is working now.


Discussion on hardware pricing is interesting and informative. Thanks.

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Old 07-20-2020, 01:02 PM   #21
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Regarding hardware marketing you might find it enlightening to know that several years ago I bought an nVidia gaming graphics card for around $250 USD. Quite literally (I tried it) a SINGLE bare wire jumper less than 0.75 inches long and one added resistor turned it into a Quadro Enterprise quality card that then sold for ~$1200 USD. Curiouser and curiouser, eh?
 
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Regarding hardware marketing you might find it enlightening to know that several years ago I bought an nVidia gaming graphics card for around $250 USD. Quite literally (I tried it) a SINGLE bare wire jumper less than 0.75 inches long and one added resistor turned it into a Quadro Enterprise quality card that then sold for ~$1200 USD. Curiouser and curiouser, eh?
I've heard of situations like this with CPUs as well. Typically it is because the CPU didn't pass all the required checks for a certain designation, but can pass checks for a lower designation (many times by disabling cores or lowering the stock clock frequency). They call it binning.

I'm wondering if the same thing happened on your card. Maybe it didn't pass the tests for the Quadro, but did pass the tests for the version you bought. It is possible you could have instability, depending on what the reason was that they lowered it, or the issue they found might not be something you'll ever run into.

Hopefully it works great for you!
 
Old 07-20-2020, 11:44 PM   #23
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This was years and at least 3 GPUs ago, bassmadrigal. I'm quite aware of binning even though until recently I didn't realize that Intel hadn't "wised up" and actually produced CPUs that had no GPU embedded with their "F" series (ie i5 10600KF) but rather sometimes sold the ones whose GPUs failed some test and were disabled as a "new model".

In the case of the nVidia board I am pretty certain this wasn't binning. I read about the mod online (I'm an inveterate "hot rodder", hardware hacker, etc) and apparently much like the mythical Celeron 300A (stable 30% overclocks in many thousands, researched so well that the numbers indicating which forges had the highest percentage was logged and published) , the manufacturer did not count on hot rodders hacking and re-purposing like we do. Thousands of these units were hacked successfully and the Intel and nVidia examples are just two among many. The numbers are far too high and the performance is all too stable and predictable to be any manner of flaw. It's just easier and cheaper to duplicate as much as possible and someone will commonly see that and act on it.

Remember Intel began to lock multipliers toi try to stop overclockers but overclockers just upped the clock rates instead. Finally Intel and everyone else embraced overclocking to some degree and Intel wisely just made unlocked CPUs a premium. Change the conditions = potential to change the performance. Sometimes "conditions" are as simple as a jumper and a resistor.
 
  


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