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Old 09-23-2017, 10:25 PM   #31
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You're not wrong that an upgrade can be a version that has a higher number than the older one. But, as I posted above, there's more than one meaning to the word. You're understanding of the word upgrade is limited. You specifically state a lower version number is a lesser version? What if the new one broke something? If you're replacing something that is broken with something that isn't, is the broken one the "greater" version and the working one is the "lesser" version? How many people refused newer versions of Windows because they were lesser quality than the version they're currently using? (A lot.) You just need to understand that it is using a different meaning of the word than you are expecting.

I don't see this as any different from the people who think a fully patched 14.2 install is "current". While it is correct in one form, it is incorrect in the sense that Slacwkare's development branch is -current.
you ever stop to think maybe Pat is misusing words where everyone else calls what "slack' calls current, they call it testing?
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Is there a better word that could be used for upgradepkg? Probably. Is using upgrade in upgradepkg incorrect? No. Is it worth it to try and replace upgradepkg with something else? Probably not.

yeah call it installpkg because that is what it does regardless of the version or what version is already installed. it is no longer misleading, rather it is now covering all three possibilities.

I'd love to have you sign some contracts , the way you think( use your ability to rationalize)it looks like someone can pull the wool over your eyes easily, and you like to try and get everyone to agree with you just so yo can feel right about yourself. or so you will never be wrong, even if you are. denial and projection.
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There's far too many things out there that rely on it and most people quickly learn that "upgrade" can mean more than just a newer version. But who knows, maybe you could request Pat to change it in future releases (although, I don't suspect this would happen).
you keep stating you're right and I am wrong in some form or another, your pride is getting the best of you, if I am wrong then the rest of the world is too.

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Upgrade. ... Upgrading is the process of replacing a product with a newer version of the same product. In
computing and consumer electronics an upgrade is generally a replacement of hardware, software or firmware with
a newer or better version, in order to bring the system up to date or to improve its characteristics.
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"there's more than one meaning to the word.[upgrade]" you better inform the world then....

rationalize is the attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.

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Old 09-23-2017, 10:32 PM   #32
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So write a new version of upgradepkg that works the way you think it should and move on. This discussion is getting ridiculous.

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Old 09-23-2017, 10:58 PM   #33
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So write a new version of upgradepkg that works the way you think it should and move on. This discussion is getting ridiculous.
it is not my distro and I am not going to accept something that is misleading as a truth, and I am not the one that keeps trying to get someone to accept something that is misleading as a truth. I am just stating the facts not trying to defend something that is misleading, deceptive, confusing, deceiving, fallacious, specious, spurious, false.

Nor will I say I accept it or agree with it nor say it is right because it is misleading deceptive, confusing, deceiving, fallacious, specious, spurious, false.

I just know better then to do that for one, and why not just change it to Installpkg so it will no longer be misleading deceptive, confusing, deceiving, misleading deceptive, confusing, deceiving, fallacious, specious, spurious, false.?

and I am the one that is wrong for not accepting something that is not a truth.

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Old 09-23-2017, 11:23 PM   #34
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Words have different meanings in different contexts. Apparently, "upgrade" does not mean what you thought it did in the context of Slackware. There's nothing misleading or deceiving about it, no matter how many times you feel like writing that word in one sentence. Let's stop beating this dead horse, shall we?

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Old 09-24-2017, 02:32 AM   #35
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you ever stop to think maybe Pat is misusing words where everyone else calls what "slack' calls current, they call it testing?
"Active OpenBSD development is known as the -current branch."

"FreeBSD-CURRENT is the “bleeding edge” of FreeBSD development and FreeBSD-CURRENT users are expected to have a high degree of technical skill."

"NetBSD-current is a daily snapshot of the NetBSD development source tree. Because it is a work in progress, it may not be particularly well tested, and it may not even compile."

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Old 09-24-2017, 03:06 AM   #36
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you ever stop to think maybe Pat is misusing words where everyone else calls what "slack' calls current, they call it testing?
No, but I am starting to think that you are wasting everyone's times on this.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 06:24 AM   #37
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No, but I am starting to think that you are wasting everyone's times on this.
I, for one, enriched my vocabulary.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 08:26 AM   #38
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This can go two ways, the better one would be to look at who may have started that, then rationalized it in order to justify the why?

What distro has been around the longest?

What is going on here is more then meets the eye.

One misleads another, that other rationalizes it so they can talk themselves into believing it, so it fits onto there belief system, then whenever someone else tries to point this deception out to them, they immediately go onto a state of denial, then starts their rationalizing to not only keep that deception in their own heads, they are now trying to get others to accept this deception as well.


You've never heard of the term, you're only deceiving yourself?
Sure, it starts with the little thing's like this. Then whence the process has been accepted, it can and does lead to bigger thing's.

All that lie has to do is get his foot in the door, whence one lets it in, it then can take root and do its distortion of reality, which is essentially causing one to not only stop looking for the Truth, but to fight against it whenever it presents itself.
And that is exactly what is going on here.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 09:07 AM   #39
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All that lie has to do is get his foot in the door, whence one lets it in, it then can take root and do its distortion of reality, which is essentially causing one to not only stop looking for the Truth, but to fight against it whenever it presents itself.
And that is exactly what is going on here.
I think you have taken this far enough, if not too far. You accuse Slackware's developer of lying and deceiving, so I suggest strongly you ask a moderator to prune this completely off-topic metaphorical discussion about your perceived issue with upgradepkg into its own separate thread.
 
Old 09-24-2017, 09:23 AM   #40
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I think you have taken this far enough, if not too far. You accuse Slackware's developer of lying and deceiving, so I suggest strongly you ask a moderator to prune this completely off-topic metaphorical discussion about your perceived issue with upgradepkg into its own separate thread.
I am not , look at my wording, and it the shoe fits wear it, it started with using the word upgrade all with sbotools, I pointed out a truth. that it doesn't upgrade because it will replace another lesser version from the one already installed. that is called down grading, then you and some others choose to deny that truth and came in an attack the truth, then started in on deflecting.

yeah upgradepkg is mis named because it is designed to not upgrade but to install whatever complies to how ever it has to in order for it to be installed regardless of what version of software is already installed. therefore it is not a properly named function.

it was then taken off point, by them that seen I would not accept their deception, which is called deflecting, then you and the others are hating the truth and now are not only accusing me of telling the truth. but telling me to stop telling the truth. what does that say of a person that does that?

you're the one that is accepting the deception not I. just like I pointed out the why behind it. here it is, you're fighting against the truth of what I originally presented by accusing me of being wrong and others are now deflecting trying to make me out to be the bad guy in this and all I did was tell the truth.

what kind of person does that?

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Old 09-24-2017, 09:51 AM   #41
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yeah call it installpkg because that is what it does regardless of the version or what version is already installed. it is no longer misleading, rather it is now covering all three possibilities.
We already have installpkg, which will not look at the existing database and will allow you to install multiple versions of the same program. Installing is not the same as upgrading (because it's already installed). But this is not the place to be suggesting new names. As I said, feel free to petition Pat to change it to whatever name you think would better fit, but doing that here is the wrong place.

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I'd love to have you sign some contracts , the way you think( use your ability to rationalize)it looks like someone can pull the wool over your eyes easily, and you like to try and get everyone to agree with you just so yo can feel right about yourself. or so you will never be wrong, even if you are. denial and projection.
I've seen your "grammar" (or at least "attention to detail") on this forum. I'm not sure you're the best person to to be signing contracts either. I've managed to make it this far in my life without having someone "pull the wool over my eyes". And I'm not "trying to get everyone to agree with me", rather, I'm trying to open your eyes to a world of English that you obviously aren't aware that exists. Everyone else seems to understand what the word upgrade means in this context.

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you keep stating you're right and I am wrong in some form or another, your pride is getting the best of you, if I am wrong then the rest of the world is too.
I flat out said you were right in that last post that upgrading can mean to to take a version of a package and install another one. But it doesn't mean just that. That is where you are wrong.

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"there's more than one meaning to the word.[upgrade]" you better inform the world then....
You covered this in your quoted text!

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Upgrade. ... Upgrading is the process of replacing a product with a newer version of the same product. In
computing and consumer electronics an upgrade is generally a replacement of hardware, software or firmware with
a newer or better version, in order to bring the system up to date or to improve its characteristics.
If the version installed is not the best version, and the better one is an earlier version, it's time to upgrade.

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rationalize is the attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.
Yup, so continue to rationalize your understanding of the word upgrade. I'm done with this. This is rapidly making me want to finally put you on my ignore list. There's just been so many frustrating threads trying to help you, then there's the ignorance in this thread...

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Old 09-24-2017, 10:04 AM   #42
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Things will settle if we stop answering to answers: who cares who will have the last word?

Then, maybe the OP will come back?
 
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Things will settle if we stop answering to answers: who cares who will have the last word?
I think you're wrong. Care to argue?
 
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Old 09-24-2017, 03:51 PM   #44
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software or firmware with or
a newer or better version,
in order to bring the system up to date or to improve its characteristics.
do you know what that is called when someone speaks like that?

it is called CYA

but it you analyze the terms/ words used you have to ask, what is a newer of better version? something that has a higher version number therefore it is still upgrading.

then the version before that , that actually worked better is still called How do I downgrade back to what I had because this newer version is buggy.

the answer most likely to be found is, you can't "they" already over wrote the code. waaaahhhhhh says the one that does not like the newer version again you are still side tracking.

let me state the oblivious then upgradepkg has no version checking in it, so it allows someone to install whatever no matter what is installed. therefore using just the word upgrade within the function and not indecating it does other then upgrade as well is still misleading.

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function_name: It can be anything, however it is advised to have a meaningful name
for the functions so that it would be easy to understand the purpose of
function just by seeing it’s name.
https://beginnersbook.com/2014/01/c-functions-examples/


want a to do what if's ?

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Old 09-24-2017, 06:41 PM   #45
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One more post such as this here and I'll report you for abuse.

Stop it. Now. Start your own thread on the horrible naming of the Slackware package tools if you must, but stop polluting this thread with your obsession. It isn't helping the OP at all and is bringing nothing to the issue presented here.

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