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Old 07-04-2019, 05:23 PM   #46
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I do have a family to support, and Slackware has long facilitated my ability to do that, consistently!

I prefer the FREEDOM to do it myself, as I please, over anything as transient as box of cash!
???

How's that work for you when you when the rent is due? I would prefer the box of cash myself, but that's just me.

Look, I don't really care what PV does or doesn't do. TBH, I've given up on Slackware. I think PV is a perfectionist that is shooting himself in the foot and screwing over anyone who put faith in him. It's extremely sad and I hope I'm wrong.

Goodbye folks.
 
Old 07-04-2019, 05:26 PM   #47
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Slackware users donate between releases as well

Seriously - take a gander at thread and possibly (oh, I don't know) maybe Donate.


14.2 is good as it is, 15 will ship when it's ready.
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 06:03 PM   #48
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[snip]I don't care if it's perfect. Good enough is good enough.

I've read through threads here. I've seen people much smarter that me (Alien) seem to be equally frustrated - if I'm reading that wrong my apologies. I want to support Pat, but for God's sake give me something to buy!!!

I just don't understand. Somebody explain it to me. I probably wouldn't understand, but at least I would know there's a reason.
There obviously is a reason but you are not going to be told it. Secrecy is the thing: say nothing and you can never be wrong, and you can possibly have a bit of fun and/or a power trip on the way. Having said that, possibly it is connected with the former (seemingly inadequate) contract with slackware's former distributors which prevents a release until a given period after it expired. Who knows: you won't.
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 06:32 PM   #49
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I spent an enjoyable morning tinkering with Arch. However, it isn't Slackware. I earlier in this thread expressed frustration. I don't regret that. I value and appreciate the positive and negative comments I received for thinking out loud. I love the LQ community.
There's nothing more satisfying than setting up a new Slackware system; I'm enjoying installing Slackware64-current at the moment.
I am going to stay with Patrick and Slackware. It has been an enjoyable 15 years, and I look forward to running Slackware for years to come.
I'm looking forward to 15.0 and plan to donate to Slackware this month using Pat's paypal account.
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 06:44 PM   #50
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There's nothing more satisfying than setting up a new Slackware system; I'm enjoying installing Slackware64-current at the moment.
Slackware is like Hotel California, isn't it?
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 06:57 PM   #51
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How's that work for you when you when the rent is due? I would prefer the box of cash myself, but that's just me.
Just you, indeed! We all make different choices based on whatever ideals we hold dearest, and they all have consequences.

I hope that yours work out good for your future.

Mine have worked out fantastically well by my own measures which do not include "amount of cash" as a constituent parameter. I suspect I could not explain any of that sufficient to your actually understanding it. That is not a sleight, just acknowledgment of our obviously differing perspectives and works both ways (Ex: Why do you pay rent? What do you value more than cash? What was the most unpopular decision you ever made, and why?).

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Look, I don't really care what PV does or doesn't do. TBH, I've given up on Slackware. I think PV is a perfectionist that is shooting himself in the foot and screwing over anyone who put faith in him. It's extremely sad and I hope I'm wrong.

Goodbye folks.
I hope the "screwing over" remark was offhand and not something that you would defend on due consideration. Directed towards Pat of all people in the context of Slackware version release scheduling I can't help feeling seriously offended on behalf of Pat and all concerned. Please reconsider that thought.

I do not know Pat except as originator and guardian of Slackware and by his presence here at LQ. But I know and respect the character he has demonstrated consistently and repeatedly, and that respect is not so fickle as to depend on whether or when there may be another Slackware release.

We can't know what choices he makes each day. Pat's choices are his own, made for his own private reasons unless he also chooses to share them with us. Give the man some respect for having made them, and breathing room to follow his course!

If your choices are at odds with his, then at least say, "Thanks for ride!", when you leave to follow your own path.

Last edited by astrogeek; 07-05-2019 at 01:17 AM. Reason: Better sentiment
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 10:37 PM   #52
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For all of you who don't want to put in the effort of keeping your -current install up to date, you do have the option of just installing it and not applying updates (ever, or only once a month, or once a year, or whatever you're comfortable with).
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:07 PM   #53
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Using current has certain implications of the user's willingness to use, test and debug new software. I can certainly understand the plight of people who wish to use stable software, but require newer software for their new hardware. At the time Slackware might not be the best distro for those people. Of course some people are more than comfortable living with current and the increased maintenance burden.
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:27 PM   #54
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Using current has certain implications of the user's willingness to use, test and debug new software. I can certainly understand the plight of people who wish to use stable software, but require newer software for their new hardware. At the time Slackware might not be the best distro for those people. Of course some people are more than comfortable living with current and the increased maintenance burden.
I would prefer to let updates slide a few days, but I figure since money's often tight and donating is often tighter, seeing if things break is something I can do.
 
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Old 07-04-2019, 11:44 PM   #55
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I would prefer to let updates slide a few days, but I figure since money's often tight and donating is often tighter, seeing if things break is something I can do.
Likewise I am in a similar position. I don't update everyday, but I usually at least try to diagnose, solve or at least report any issues I find with newer software in current or elsewhere. Not everyone has the time, energy or will to do this and I won't fault anyone for not doing it. Still using current may not always be smooth sailing and this can be required.
 
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Old 07-05-2019, 12:35 AM   #56
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There are reasons why it says on DW Release model: Fixed
So what difference does it make 3 years with no RC, even if there were 10 years with no RC it would be perfectly normal.
Even if stable release is not maintained at all, which is not the case with 14.2, one can backport and maintain in house, I do this all the time, where's the problem.
I'll usually test all RC, but rolling release/unstable branch whatever you want to call it, more often than not gets pulled from under your feet, so I just don't.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 04:01 AM   #57
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Even if stable release is not maintained at all, which is not the case with 14.2, one can backport and maintain in house, I do this all the time, where's the problem.
I, for example, cannot do that. I lack the skills.

I naively expect my operating system to work for me, not the other way around. But you guys, go on and assure each other how little you need a new stable release. That's the trend around here that grants you "Did you find this post helpful? Yes". I may sound bitter, but I did need a more modern -stable Slackware release in a very critical moment of my work. Did not happen and I managed nevertheless, "stayed true" to Slackware and even credited my beloved distro in the end result. It just felt like swimming against the current (no pun intended) and I am not sure I am ready to do this again. I understand Patrick has his own problems, I have tried to help by donating and I try to give something in return to the community. However, it annoys me when users just overlook the obvious, that 14.2 is too old to run on modern hardware.
 
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Old 07-05-2019, 04:17 AM   #58
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For all of you who don't want to put in the effort of keeping your -current install up to date, you do have the option of just installing it and not applying updates (ever, or only once a month, or once a year, or whatever you're comfortable with).
If one is unversed in it, -current is like a daunting mythological beast, a roc or harpy only for the experienced to wrestle with. But if one has been running 14.2 for any sizeable length of time, -current is more like a guinea pig or rabbit - ultimately non-threatening, just needing to be fed once in a while.

I can only guess at the delay for 15.0 but part of it must be related to waiting for kernel 5.3 and Xfce 4.14. Still, -current is very stable, possibly moreso than a lot of so-called 'stable' distros [as an example I've had Ubuntu 18.04/Xubuntu lock up on me multiple times, and Debian Stretch fail to boot on occasion, neither of which have happened with -current]. Just download one of Eric's ISOs, install and update it once a week, month, or go the 'solarfields' way and never update it. It's fantastic for newer hardware. Just keep an eye on the changelogs.

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TBH, I've given up on Slackware. I think PV is a perfectionist that is shooting himself in the foot and screwing over anyone who put faith in him. It's extremely sad and I hope I'm wrong.

Goodbye folks.
OK, see you tomorrow.

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Old 07-05-2019, 08:39 AM   #59
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I can only guess at the delay for 15.0 but part of it must be related to waiting for kernel 5.3 and Xfce 4.14.
Yeah, I was also thinking that Pat is perhaps evaluating which 5.x kernel to use, and perhaps some other additions. Pat always delivers a first rate release; 15.0 will be amazing.
 
Old 07-05-2019, 08:40 AM   #60
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Yeah, I was also thinking that Pat is perhaps evaluating which 5.x kernel to use, and perhaps some other additions. Pat always delivers a first rate release; 15.0 will be amazing.
That's a pretty big jump from 4.19, isn't it?
 
  


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