Going Slack!
 

This is a general query on the Slack (and derivatives).

I'm thinking of making the switch and am unclear why
a] slack and derivatives are so fast (just installed Salix, had a look at Zenwalk a while back).
b] file system why nfs when all the others seem to be ext4
c] Slack would appear to be the better choice as it has wider distribution and larger user base.

I've been a xubuntu user for 6 years and it seems that bugs don't seem to be dealt with which makes me wish to consider another. Debian seems slow on updating apps like Emacs 24 (probably be another 6 months at least before it's available). Fedora seems a bit unstable like *buntu family these days. I thought i'd found what i was looking for in Centos or Scientific Linux except that... there are fine for a server but not really a desktop as one has to use other repos for apps like Abiword, prioritising yum to look in the individual repos for updates - bit dodgy to me it seems and yet they are main distros but i think only for server.

Out of the slack family i don't know which to choose. Arch or Slack as the larger user base would seem a better move but i'd be grateful for advice. As for Salix... perfect install no problems but i don't know if Salix carries out full repo updates etc as it's such a small community. As for Arch i don't know i like what i've read about Pacman... is it possible to use a different package manager.

Your best bet is to try all 3 distros and decide for yourself. My personal opinion is that I don't see any need to use Salix if I can use the "real thing" ie, Slackware. I don't use Arch because.... I prefer Slackware. Arch is a fine distro but I just feel more comfortable with Slackware.

PS1: I don't know what you've read about Pacman
PS2: Sorry If I have misunderstood the last bit of your post but just to be clear: Arch does NOT belong to the Slackware family.

I thought Arch had the similar packaging.... and so belonged to the Slackware family. I'm just trying to see 'the wood for the trees'. I couldn't believe it when i tried Centos as a desktop... one's got to manually select the 3rd party repo for stuff like Abiword as opposed to server.

Have a look at this article and the division of Linux distro categories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._distributions

Yeah, CentOS is predominantly a server distro so it's not optimised for desktop users by default.

On Slackware the default is ext4. But you can choose among ext2, ext3, ext4, ReiserFS, JFS and XFS.

Why should Salix have chosen nfs? (just wondering that's all) I was surprised i thought virtually all distros chose ext*. I thought it would have something to do with being universal OS like Debian but that's not the case... similar to Slackware.

I've used all of the distros you mentioned and I would say that for stability and flexibility Slack is the better choice “for me”.

Salix is a dam good little distro that is in fact completely backwards compatible with Slack. I play with it from time to time but has no advantage over Slack and the last time I played with it you cant log into kde as root which for most people is a non issue but I don't like my distro telling me what I can or can not do.

Arch (I'm guna get flack for this) is stable most of the time but I've had pacman break stuff on an update, and then fix it a few days later. If you have to depend on package with a lot of deps you can bet pacman will screw it up for you from time to time. But as I said pacman will normally fix it again on the next update.

With Slack, your packages are separate from system packages. This is a HUGE plus when something goes wrong because you don't have to depend on a repo to fix it for you. You can chase down the problem yourself and fix it. It's very seldom that a stable update with mess up your packages, I can't remember the last time a stable update borked one of my packages. Mostly your packages will get borked once in awhile when running current.

Try all of them and eventually you'll be running Slack.

In other words "Go slack... and you'll never go back!"

I do appreciate your replies. My thoughts on smaller distros (as in lower user base) is that release updates may not be as frequent as they should be. At least that has crossed my mind. Having said that the smaller distros like Salix, PCLoS etc often seem to put out a fine release. I did once have a problem when i tried Mint xfce - no updates for a while and then i discovered that the maintainer's wife was seriously ill and he wasn't able to cope with the distro. So i always wonder with the smaller distro cover for illness and unforeseen eventualities. Main distros have enough folk to cope.

Another important reason for considering the KISS family is that one will force oneself to learn more about the OS. I've planned to do a Linux From Scratch or similar but didn't get round to it. So having found an good book last night on Arch
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arch-Linux-H...9622741&sr=1-1
Good to get hold of and won't break the bank. But will be worth while for the learning exercise.

But having tried Salix i'm certainly going to give Slack a go with a more serious intent of using it in future. Ubuntu and Fedora these days seem to have too many bugs and problems which makes me not want to bother. Ubuntu put Abiword 2.9.2 a buggy development version in the last two releases instead of the stable version 2.8.6.

You could try dual-booting Slackware and Arch.

Slackware is much easier to install than Arch and if you follow the installation and beginners guides on Slackdocs, you'll be up and running in no time. As BrianL suggests you could dual boot. I have Arch but rarely use it - it does run well. The Arch wiki is excellent and should provide you all you need if you go that route. I wouldn't buy a book on using a Linux distro, unless it was to support that distro.

You must be mixing things up, as NFS stands for Network File System [wikipedia.org]

I predict that you will really like Slackware once you try it. I suggest that you read the book and the ample available support documentation before you install Slackware.

yes i understood that but why are all other distros ext4 (to the best of my knowledge!). It seems Salix chose nfs for some reason... only thin gi can think of that it would be the same as windows (think that's nfs) and so would work perhaps better on a network?

Check again. What you imply is impossible.

And no, it is not true that all distros have chosen ext4 as the filesystem type to install on. Slackware has ext4 as default choice but it is not a mandatory choice.

Eric

You mean XFS, not NFS. One letter and a hell of a difference

http://www.salixos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4150

No, you did not understand it. NFS is a file system that provides access to files on a server. This is not the same as the local disk file system, e.g. ext4.

The windows file system you refer to is NTFS.

edit: nvm, sycamorex and BroX were faster.

Ok thanks for correcting me. But why should Salix be nfs rather than ext4.

Enough trolling and repeating yourself, whilst not listening to us. PROVE IT BY SHOWING THE URL WHERE IT SAYS SALIX USES NFS.

Geez.

Eric

I didn't mean to type nfs.... i meant xfs. someone could have hinted like "nfs?"

Very strange considering everyone else uses ext4... and i think one distro uses reiserfs. xfs shouldn't be used for root i gather from a google but i don't know any more than that.

FYI - i look after my mother with Alzheimer's; change incontinence pads four times a day, wash her and feed her spoonful by spoonful. I've had a very stressful week but no bother i'll clear off and use another distro.

Of course we should stay tolerant to each other but... That's not always that easy. You have your problems and Eric has others (he was sick lately).

Back to the topic, my best advise would be to try Slackware.

After 15 years of linux use, slackware is my distro of choice because of stability. Its nice that frequent updates come along for security etc as well.
You can use any file system you like. Theres plenty of software choice, i havent run into any dependency issues, but slackware, it deserves to be said again, is stable. You set it up and it just runs.
Software updates are dead simple with slackpkg and did i mention the stability? :)
And im running current.

I guess the hints below were not sufficient:
Post 11:
Post 14:
Post 15:
Post 16:

To which, in Post 18, you respond:
LOL

On a plus side, I think you'll never mix up the 2 terms.

Back to question b)
 

I couldn't find an answer.

On the announcement for Salix XFCE 14.0, gapan aka George Vlahavas wrote : If you really want to know why he took that decision you would be better of asking him the question directly, either on Salix OS' forum or on their mailing list or IRC channel.

I hear that....
 

Reply: I hear you jessejazza. I take care of my mother too who has mild (thank god) Alzheimer's and the stress can screw with your concentration. I find myself doing stupid detail mistakes and I don't even know it until it creates a problem. Ding, ding, ding!! Hang in man.

If you've not cleared off yet, you should read the installation guide;

http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:install

and beginners guide on Slackdocs.

http://docs.slackware.com/slackware:beginners_guide

Most, if not all, of your questions will be answered that way.

Just make your home and / partitions ext4. I've tried different formats for different partitions in the past and it's not made any difference that I've noticed - my view is if you don't have to create a problem for yourself, then don't.

Good luck with your Mum, it's a tough life you must have. My wife is running the London marathon for a charity that operates in support of carers (her brother is unwell and her Mum has had to care for him for years) - my wife's proud to do her bit to help people who don't often get the public recognition they deserve, at least in the UK.

Aww man, I'm late to the party and didn't get to use my "I think your running Windows with NTFS" joke.

Anyways, hope you get it running okay.