Yes, there is! Thanks for that!

Right again! "Select Aggregation Mode" is the 4th of 5 buttons adjacent to the "search" text box in the default view. "Flat Date View" is the view I'm used to from KDE3. I agree that threaded view can be very useful and it's great that it's an option. I'll definitely try it out, eventually.


Yeah, you're right. I guess I got caught up in the heat of the moment.

Thanks for the good pointers: that kind of feedback is what makes the Linux community so great.

Now, I've got to go research what you said about compositing. That's new to me.

Cheers~

You're welcome. :-)
I know how it can be frustrating sometimes to have things getting on the way.
I really think that people who had a bad experience with the first releases of KDE4 should give it another serious try now. I don't find it really less configurable than KDE3 has ever been, and in some ways is actually much more versatile.
About graphic issues, Phoronix forums are really a good place to learn about them.

I find it interesting that the negative comments on this thread about kde4, are all from people who are using kde3, and resisting change. I have moved from gnome to xfce and now to kde4 because I very much like the changes, but mostly the flexibility and the multimedia. To me kde3.5 was a bloated more colourful version of gnome with "K" in front of each application. It had far too many applications by default that made it difficult to use. The new "slackware type" of approach of Kde4 to leap forward with a more tightly integrated system suits me. It still has too much by default for my liking-I would rather get only the core applications included and add what I require.

Life would be easier if we could load a "Stable Base Desktop Core",that was common to all the DE versions and applications. Slackware + the best of GTK+QT4 in one?

I'm not resisting change. When KDE 4 is stable then I'll be happy to use it. I just don't think that it's there yet. Perhaps its the other software that isn't completely compatible with KDE 4 yet. It doesn't help that 4.3 is going to include major changes. Hopefully that will be the last redefinition of the user interface and KDE 4.4 can focus on fixing the bugs introduced by 4.3.

If the next release of Slackware includes a stable version of KDE 4.2 or 4.3 then I'll use it. I suspect that there will be some patches and other issues to make it work and that's fine. The important thing is that the focus shifts to fixing bugs and not rewriting major parts again.

One of my reasons for using Slackware is that to folks maintaining the distro are being selective about which versions are included and are doing a good job of addressing the few bugs that appear.

I'm more-or-less with Erik on this one; it needs to be more stable and more complete (and everything there needs to actually work, rather than have some options that seem useful but don't actually do anything). Then I think that I'll be happy with kde4.

That doesn't sound so much like resisting change, but rather wanting change to be better and wanting it to be quicker.

For now, I have half a dozen different UIs, including KDE4 and kde 3 on my laptop, and I'll probably use the one which has irritated me least recently for the moment.


drakebasher wrote:
Note also that you don't have to choose one or the other; you can have both, if that's what floats your boat (uses screen real estate though, if that's a concern). While I prefer the old columnar-style, I have also got used to having the search function, particularly if you jump from one machine to another.

If you want KDE3 with current, all you have to do is turn off the desktop effects, change the desktop style to folder view, and perhaps use the old menu. If you also take out the bits of KDE that you don't use and install lighter weight alternatives it is as fast as XFCE, but more integrated.

samac

I still have not gotten "used to kde4" because liquid weather does not work well in it. I don't like the weather plasmoids that I have seen so far as much as liquid weather.

I like the fact that -current is including the older version of k3b.

My first response was "nonsense," but you are entitled to your opinion.
How can having "too many applications" make it "difficult to use"??
Just don't use the programs that are not of interest to you.

I used KDE 4.whatever for six months and as an "end user" didn't see that it brought anything new to the party, that is of interest to me, other than it is "pretty." Many of the KDE 4.x versions of the applications I use daily are not as functional as they are under KDE 3.5.10, if they are available at all, and KDE 4.x itself is not as configurable as 3.5.10.

In otherwords, as a **end user** (not a geek) I don't not see ANYthing, feature or application, about 4.x that is compelling enough for me to give up 3.5.10. The developers (geeks) talk about the "advancements" in KDE 4.x, but until they can make those so called "advancements" that apparently only they can see, visible to the non-geek end users, and
demonstrate these so called advantages, there is no need to change just for the sake of change.
I'm always willing to try something new and different IF there is a benefit to doing so. As of the moment the only VISIBLE "benefit" to KDE 4.x is the eye candy.

Where's the "shut down the computer" option in KDE4? It's not in the expected place (the "leave" menu).

Think you only get it at default runlevel 4.

That's correct. You don't get a "Restart" or "Shutdown" in the KDE menu if you start it using "startx" from a shell prompt. Also, if you use XFCE there is something that must be added to "/etc/sudoers" to get "shutdown" in XFCE.