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Old 12-23-2017, 04:24 PM   #61
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That is all that was available there at a reasonable price. There are also much more "modern" ones, but they are expensive.

In the Russian Federation the American goods tend to be expensive. A luxury.
If you'll indulge me again, what is reasonable and what is expensive to you. How much did you pay for that CPU (or computer if you bought the whole thing) and what are costs for more modern systems? Feel free to use local currency and I'll figure out what it is in US dollars.

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I do not know why, but in my mind the idea is that your HTPC is really good to watch porn, but it can very well guide a battery of anti-aerial guns ...
Umm, no.

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I hope now you see the light.
There's no way I'd be happy getting 12 year old tech... I couldn't imagine going back to my AMD Athlon XP 3200+ (which was roughly equivalent to the Prescott P4s). I thought my ancient Athlon 64 X2 was slow, taking almost a week to compile qt5.

But maybe I'm just one of those "spoiled Americans".

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Old 12-23-2017, 04:52 PM   #62
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@bassmadrigal

For example:

Dell Inspiron 7567 i5-7300HQ (2.5)/8G/1T+8G SSD/15,6''FHD AG/NV GTX1050 4G/Win10 has the price of 55 990 ₽ (~ $1000)

While my monthly salary is roughly the same as in Bulgaria or Romania.
 
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Old 12-23-2017, 04:59 PM   #63
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Then, around $300 monthly or $3600 per year.

I guess, dear @bassmadrigal you are a bit "spoiled", though...

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Umm, no.
Agree. This box can have problems with H265 encoding for 4K resolutions.

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Old 12-23-2017, 05:41 PM   #64
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But maybe I'm just one of those "spoiled Americans".
Yes.
 
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Old 12-23-2017, 07:44 PM   #65
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Agree. This box can have problems with H265 encoding for 4K resolutions.
I can decode h265 1080p encodings with no problem (and the GPU doesn't support h265 acceleration), but I don't have a 4K TV, so I've never tried 4K encodings. I'm still rocking my 46" 1080p LCD "dumb" TV purchased back in 2009 while in Germany (I wanted the newer LEDs, but they were too expensive for my tastes). I don't see any need in upgrading since it works fine. Once it dies (knock on wood... it's working great right now), I'll look at what's available and maybe finally get a smart TV.

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@bassmadrigal

For example:

Dell Inspiron 7567 i5-7300HQ (2.5)/8G/1T+8G SSD/15,6''FHD AG/NV GTX1050 4G/Win10 has the price of 55 990 ₽ (~ $1000)

While my monthly salary is roughly the same as in Bulgaria or Romania.
Looks like the prices are a bit inflated compared to the US, but not as high as I expected. While I was in Germany, it was normal to buy things for 30% more than the price in America due to the exchange rates at the time. That laptop is $700 from dell.com. It seems like the big disparity is monthly wages.

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Yes.
I said this kinda in jest because I am at the lower end of income from most of my friends from high school. Working for the government doesn't pay nearly as well as the private sector, but you do have job security and great benefits... plus I was able to live in Germany for 5 years, which was pretty sweet.
 
Old 12-24-2017, 02:33 AM   #66
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@bassmadrigal

I try to be as gentle as possible and to avoid the politics at all costs.

That's why I suggest you only to look in a map where's Karelia, where live our friend.

Then please respond me: do you really think Intel and AMD are rushed to sell the latest technology there?

BTW, an YES or NO is enough as response.
I love questions with answers restricted to yes an no
Gives so much options for quest like, are you stupid or just not very intelligent
Not that I ask you this, and restrict the answer to yes and no, its just an innocent example

our, obviously not so, luck cyborg, needs just to drink less alcohol to by some energy sparing replacements for this old energy hungry inefficient machines, this will amortize itself after a while. But of course, this would take away the possibility for him to play the drama queen.

And it's not that replacements are not available in his corner of the world, Finland is just around the corner for Karjala, it's not 3rd world. http://prokarelia.net/

Wish you all a peaceful and happy Christmas!
 
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:14 AM   #67
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I love questions with answers restricted to yes an no
Gives so much options for quest like, are you stupid or just not very intelligent
Not that I ask you this, and restrict the answer to yes and no, its just an innocent example
You excluded the variant that I am intelligent enough to realize that a debate about the USA commercial politics with its traditional enemy (Russia), also the Russian non-consumerist way of life, is not exactly a proper thing for this particular forum, so I just tried to make @bassmadrigal to figure out the context.

Living myself in a place where the people earn ~ $300 monthly, while I cannot speak in the name of Russians, I can guarantee you that the Romanians lives really well with those money, only that this income does not help well to promote the Consumerism and some goods are perceived to be specially expensive.

Imagine how looks at a $1000 Ryzen a guy who can save $10 a month. That's 100 months of saving for him. Or, around 8 years.

Let's say he has the advantage to have a really long time at disposition to consider if this Ryzen is really worth for his computing habits.

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Wish you all a peaceful and happy Christmas!
Merry Christmas, too!

PS. Generally speaking, the East Europeans are in fact much sober than you think. The drinking champions are in other places, not there.

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Old 12-24-2017, 03:41 AM   #68
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@bassmadrigal mentioned a more modern system at ~$150 (or 15 months of saving). With whatever the taxes would be, maybe 2 years of saving?

I was running a Z80 based microcomputer until the mid 1990s, so I have some sympathy for stretching tech (my home systems are pushing 7 to 8 years in use).

Even so, the 32 bit versions of slackware aren't going to disappear from the web anytime soon; you'll still be able to run whatever you're running now.

Before the OP yells at me for going off-topic, I'll admit that I see no reason for default multi-lib. As I mentioned, any requirement for me to run a 32 bit executable simply means that I launch a 32 bit VM and run the code there.

Maybe I should do that to play Heretic 2 again....
 
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Old 12-24-2017, 03:52 AM   #69
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no, you don't
 
Old 12-24-2017, 04:29 AM   #70
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no, you don't
Yeah, and @bassmadrigal helped too by insisting for details...

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@bassmadrigal mentioned a more modern system at ~$150 (or 15 months of saving). With whatever the taxes would be, maybe 2 years of saving?
Sure, you are perfectly right.

BUT, one guy cannot spend his entire life saving to buy (already obsolete) computers, and as I seen at least in Eastern Europe, the expectancy is that the particular good bought (even a fridge) will serve for at least 10 times its saving time, 5 times "only" being for those with a "questionable quality".

So, our particular guy, after saving 2 years, expects to buy something which will work for at least 20 years, or for at least 10 years if it is of a known low quality. This is what I call a non-consumerist way of thinking.

Meantime, many things will be imagined by Intel and AMD. And by the Plasma developers, though.

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Old 12-24-2017, 09:56 AM   #71
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Yeah, and @bassmadrigal helped too by insisting for details...
So wait, I'm the problem because I was legitimately asking why someone was buying a processor from 12 years ago in an industry where 4 year old tech is commonly seen as obsolete (I tend to push my systems much longer than 4 years, my last one going on 8 before I had to replace it after a motherboard failure)? You are the one who brought politics into this post. You didn't even need to respond to my question as Lucky was more than capable of doing it.

Look at your post history Darth, it seems your sole purpose on this forum is to stir the pot... whether intentional or not, that's the majority of what you do here. I wasn't trying to stir the pot, I was trying to gain insight on why someone may choose to purchase something that is 10 generations old. If someone doesn't have their location readily visible on their profile, I shouldn't be expected to assume they can only afford a 2004 era processor.

Sorry for being an ignorant American trying to learn more...
 
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Old 12-24-2017, 10:18 AM   #72
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In an international forum it's better to make no assumptions about what is considered affordable, and indeed what is considered obsolete. Making no assumptions is the default position adopted by Slackware. The vast majority of people in the world are not born into so-called wealthy nations. I've seen first-hand how happy people from poor countries in Africa are to get P3 and P4 systems, and how creative they are with those systems. If they can work magic with an old version of Photoshop on a P3 then by defintion the P3 is not obsolete.

The Slackware team aren't going to abandon people just because the likes of Mozilla, Google and Microsoft with their crap browsers and apps suck the life out of a computer, for the benefit of a constituency close to home and nobody else.

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Old 12-24-2017, 11:52 AM   #73
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BUT, one guy cannot spend his entire life saving to buy (already obsolete) computers, and as I seen at least in Eastern Europe, the expectancy is that the particular good bought (even a fridge) will serve for at least 10 times its saving time, 5 times "only" being for those with a "questionable quality".

So, our particular guy, after saving 2 years, expects to buy something which will work for at least 20 years, or for at least 10 years if it is of a known low quality. This is what I call a non-consumerist way of thinking.
Well, it's more along the lines of "what's good enough for me" and that always contains a price/performance balance.

For products where the technology doesn't change that rapidly, keeping an item for 20 years doesn't have much of a practical drawback. I've kept automobiles for 16 years; we've tried to keep to a 10 year cycle. But, there have been improvements in safety technology in the past 5 years or so that we consider worth getting. I'm never going to buy a new car every year or every other year; even 5 years seems too soon but might be worth it given the proper upgrade.

OTOH, if I don't have the money to do so, I'm not going to buy a new car no matter how great the safety tech improvements have been.
 
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If they can work magic with an old version of Photoshop on a P3 then by defintion the P3 is not obsolete.
Only if "obsolete" means "useless". It doesn't.
 
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Only if "obsolete" means "useless". It doesn't.
By obsolete I mean no longer having a use or serving a purpose.
 
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