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Old 09-24-2019, 04:29 AM   #16
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Good choice. Don't let them there VIMians tell you different!

Welcome aboard.
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:00 AM   #17
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Slackware:
Code:
removepkg seamonkey #(I really just did it in pkgtool)
pkgtool: "okay, no problem."
Yeah, that's what's great about Slackware. It stays out of your way. It will let you break it. It doesn't assume that you're an idiot. I don't like being second-guessed... and that's why I use Slackware.
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The installer doesn't play well with my NVMe drive
This has been fixed in the -current installer.
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 10:52 AM   #18
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Sufferin' Succotash, beides "The Usual Gang of Idiots" here, there is also another overlapping gang of rebrobates on Freenode IRC:
##slackware
##slackware-help
#slackbuilds - for issues with buildscripts on https://www.slackbuilds.org
#slackdocs - Slackware Documentation Project: http://docs.slackware.com/
Time to finally open HexChat - I was considering exploring IRC for awhile. Thanks!
 
Old 09-24-2019, 10:56 AM   #19
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Good choice. Don't let them there VIMians tell you different!

Welcome aboard.
Thank you. @Emacs: after learning how to switch/list buffers, find files within the editor, split windows, and use dired, it's been really fun to use.
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 03:19 PM   #20
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Good choice. Don't let them there VIMians tell you different!

Welcome aboard.
but.... but.... but Vi is so crunchy! That's actually one of the best things about Slack - real choices. So many "advanced" distros require their own altered kernels, apps and libraries they paint you into a corner where the biggest dependency is you on them.

Welcome aboard indeed. It's a beautiful ride in a proper ship.
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:07 PM   #21
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I like elvis for my vi editor, that's been the default on Slackware for as long as I can remember. (I compile it from Slackware provided sources on other distros because I prefer its behaviour... for example it's more forgiving on insert vs. append and I got used to that behaviour)
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:18 PM   #22
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Another thing to appreciate about Slackware, is that Patrick does his best to maintain backwards compatibility where possible or practical. For example, glibc is build with switches like --enable-obsolete-rpc (for deprecated SunRPC) and --enable-obsolete-nsl (for deprecated NSS/NIS compat) so it doesn't break old builds.

I appreciate the Hell out of that, because I still build old shit and don't like having to somehow pass things like "-I/usr/include/tirpc -ltirpc" to my builds like other distros.
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 04:52 PM   #23
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Time to finally open HexChat - I was considering exploring IRC for awhile. Thanks!
Real men use irssi
 
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Old 09-24-2019, 07:35 PM   #24
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I guess. I've used irssi, but, for my tired eyes hexchat works for me. Each to his/her own.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:34 PM   #25
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Real men use irssi
Never heard of it, but it's in Slackware! Just typed it in - looks damn cool. I've got a fondness for command line apps
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:37 PM   #26
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Another thing to appreciate about Slackware, is that Patrick does his best to maintain backwards compatibility where possible or practical. For example, glibc is build with switches like --enable-obsolete-rpc (for deprecated SunRPC) and --enable-obsolete-nsl (for deprecated NSS/NIS compat) so it doesn't break old builds.

I appreciate the Hell out of that, because I still build old shit and don't like having to somehow pass things like "-I/usr/include/tirpc -ltirpc" to my builds like other distros.
That's interesting to know. I like hearing about these sorts of under-the-hood aspects of a distribution. Placement of files on root is another aspect - I'm noticing that Slackware has more of an actual distinction between /bin and /usr/bin for one. I also like that the /mnt directory is populated with sub-directories as suggestions for devices, as if it's actually intended to be used (and I do so happily).
 
Old 09-24-2019, 08:40 PM   #27
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I guess. I've used irssi, but, for my tired eyes hexchat works for me. Each to his/her own.
HexChat looks great as well. I'm glad we get default access to both.
 
Old 09-24-2019, 09:56 PM   #28
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I like elvis for my vi editor, that's been the default on Slackware for as long as I can remember. (I compile it from Slackware provided sources on other distros because I prefer its behaviour... for example it's more forgiving on insert vs. append and I got used to that behaviour)
Just for kicks I tested elvis and vile opening a huge text file last week. About 2GB. Vile opened it after a couple of minutes; elvis was still struggling 20 minutes later.

vile doesn't get as much attention now but it's a powerful and rock solid editor, which still receives regular updates. It sits nicely between the original, spartan vi and vim, which has had so much feature creep over the years picking it up is almost as bad as picking up Emacs.

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:45 PM   #29
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Welcome to Slackware! I started with Debian back in the day, but I don't remember it being as package-oriented as it was then. (Slink was the first version I used, so apt was just introduced.)

You do need to read the documentation first with Slackware, but it's a rewarding experience once you do. I heartily recommend Alien Bob's documentation, especially. Be sure to read every word, because if you have trouble after reading something he wrote, odds are good you skipped something or didn't do exactly as he said.

Are you familiar with the Slackware Documentation Project? https://docs.slackware.com/ It's a good resource for just about anything you need, if it isn't covered here.
 
Old 09-25-2019, 12:05 AM   #30
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Just for kicks I tested elvis and vile opening a huge text file last week. About 2GB. Vile opened it after a couple of minutes; elvis was still struggling 20 minutes later.

vile doesn't get as much attention now but it's a powerful and rock solid editor, which still receives regular updates. It sits nicely between the original, spartan vi and vim, which has had so much feature creep over the years picking it up is almost as bad as picking up Emacs.
That's outside of my usage of a vi editor, 2 Gb files (or generally large files, more realistically) so I'd not notice that behaviour under those conditions. I don't use it as a binary editor. Efficiency is always best of course, so it's good to know that though.

Indeed, I don't much like when vi points to vim on distros, especially when the defaults display things in strange ways. (Though Slackware does change the defaults of elvis, it would be all coloured up by default if not for intervention)
 
  


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