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Old 08-17-2015, 05:20 AM   #16
richardh1970
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Many thanks to all who tried to help - the answer was indeed in config.log. Why on earth emacs would attempt to link to imagemagick libraries is quite beyond me - but all was well once I excluded those. It is unfortunate that config reported the error as not being able to find libXaw when that was a false lead.

I have no wish to start a flame war and no intention of going over points that have probably been argued exhaustively in the past - so I will just close by just saying my piece...

... I fully accept that those attempting to support other Slackware users cannot hope to support the myriad of possible partial configurations and so the 'install everything' advice seems tempting from their point of view. While it may mean that some of us may have to probe a little deeper in order to solve our problems and support our systems, installing the full distribution is simply not practical for the few of us building streamlined systems. In my case; the difference between installing the 4+GB advertised on the website and the smaller set of software that I actually require represents a noticable chunk of my ~60GB drive.

I remain grateful for all the help and advice, Richard.
 
Old 08-17-2015, 05:57 AM   #17
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Many thanks to all who tried to help - the answer was indeed in config.log. Why on earth emacs would attempt to link to imagemagick libraries is quite beyond me - but all was well once I excluded those.
Possibly something to do with the eww graphics-capable web browser now included with emacs.
 
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Old 08-17-2015, 06:42 AM   #18
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... I fully accept that those attempting to support other Slackware users cannot hope to support the myriad of possible partial configurations and so the 'install everything' advice seems tempting from their point of view. While it may mean that some of us may have to probe a little deeper in order to solve our problems and support our systems, installing the full distribution is simply not practical for the few of us building streamlined systems. In my case; the difference between installing the 4+GB advertised on the website and the smaller set of software that I actually require represents a noticable chunk of my ~60GB drive.
I'll post again at the cost of being repetitive just to clarify.

'install everything' it's not an advice: a full installation is the only supported one so 'install everything' is *mandatory* if you're looking for support.
obviously, if you aren't looking for help you can do what you want.

if you decide to do a partial install it's assumed that you know what you are doing and basically you're on your own.

in case you are asking a question and you have a minimal setup please specify it and if you're lucky someone will step in and help you with your particular choices of packages but it can also simply not happen.

P.S. FYI, imagemagick was also between the deps listed in the emacs package information available in the salix repository I linked above.

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Old 08-17-2015, 08:51 AM   #19
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Before I reply, may I emphasise my earlier comment:

I have no wish to start a flame war...

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... 'install everything' it's not an advice: a full installation is the only supported one so 'install everything' is *mandatory* if you're looking for support. ...
I must admit to being confused; what you are writing simply does not make sense:

1) I have an incomplete installation.
2) I came here looking for support.
3) I then received support.

thus a complete installation is not mandatory in order to receive support.

In fact I find it difficult to conceive of a situation here on LQ where there is an 'unsupported' installation. On every occasion when I have asked for help in these forums many knowledgable, helpful people (yourself included) have offered advice. Sometimes that advice is helpful, sometimes it is hugely off-track, but it is always offered in a (perceived) spirit of cameraderie and is gratefully received.

Thanks to the replies from you and half-a-dozen others; my system is one step closer to being the system that I want. The system remains incomplete from a Slackware point of view and remains supported since I believe that I can always count on the helpful people here at LQ.

Again, with thanks, Richard.
 
Old 08-17-2015, 11:06 AM   #20
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Let's just bury the thread with these thoughts:

If you don't have a complete installation, please say so in any post where you ask for help.

If you are running -current, please say so in any post where you ask for help.

Otherwise the people here who volunteer their own time to help are forced to waste a lot of time attempting to reproduce or guess what's going on. And frankly it's bloody demotivating when it turns out that the problem was caused by the user's own foot-gun in circumstances that were not initially disclosed. In my opinion, it is not acceptable to just dump the consequences of having a partial installation or running -current onto other people. But it is acceptable if you are happy to accept and learn why a nonstandard setup will give you unexpected problems, and how to solve those problems for yourself.

Edit: for avoidance of doubt, in case this thread gets bad-tempered, my evaluation of richardh1970 is "he's happy to learn, I would help him again"; sorry if that wasn't clear from the above paragraph.

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Old 08-17-2015, 11:07 AM   #21
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@richardh1970: this is how I understand your last post:

"I know that there are issues that I could easily solve myself just making a full installation (or finding myself what I miss), but as there are people eager to help me for free even it they loose their time doing so, why bother?"

PS I didn't see the answer from 55020 before posting, but of course fully agree.

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Old 08-17-2015, 11:41 AM   #22
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Holy crap people are getting terribly bent-out-of-shape over this. Let's look at this the other way around, shall we? Is a -full install *with slackbuilds on top* a supported system? Where do we draw the line? If the only systems that are supported here are those which don't diverge from the well-trodden path of "full install and -stable" then this forum will quickly die because nobody will need help any more. Stop getting so ratty over petty issues like this please. The Slackware installer segregates kde and xfce for a reason: and that reason is, to give users the opportunity "not" to install them if they don't want to. Same goes for e (emacs), f (FAQs), and so on. How much more official than the official Slackware installer can you get?

Honestly, these forums are getting more and more petty, more and more patronising as time goes on.

My advice is to let Slackware users do it the way they want, as it has always been, and if someone gets stuck, help them out. If you're hot-headed like me go ahead and blow a fuse but for God's sake don't let it drag on. Get it over with in one post and then get back to helping the user solve their problem.

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Old 08-17-2015, 05:09 PM   #23
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My advice is to let Slackware users do it the way they want, as it has always been, and if someone gets stuck, help them out. If you're hot-headed like me go ahead and blow a fuse but for God's sake don't let it drag on. Get it over with in one post and then get back to helping the user solve their problem.
I just want to single this out for its sorely missed sense of reason, quite refreshing after being told by others to not even report errors unless an user has a full install.
 
  


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