Dropline Gnome -> Nautils

stevesk · 06-17-2006, 06:14 PM

Hey all! Well, I have installed Dropline Gnome. Why? Because I want to use it? No, because of the apps that comes with gnome like gedit and nautils. Well, I use fluxbox as my WM, installed the last devel-release. Always when I try to run nautils from fluxbox for file-browsing, my background changes into the Dropline one and the right button opens dropline menu instead of fluxbox menu. When I close nautils, the fluxbox menu backs to work but not the same thing happens with the background. Is there any way to solve that? Or is it better I don't install gnome anymore and seek out for apps that can do the same thing that these ones do? Thanks for the attention.

Xian · 06-17-2006, 06:35 PM

Personally I wouldn't install Gnome on top of Fluxbox just for gedit, naughty, etc., when there are soooo many good text editors, file browsers, and other programs available that would only require the gtk or qt libraries. But anyway, in answer to your question, use this (in a terminal or launcher) as your command to open Nautilus:

$ nautilus --no-desktop -browser

zborgerd · 06-19-2006, 06:31 PM

The desktop is part of the nautilus component. You may be able to modify some gconf settings to disable it, or just disable the desktop wallpaper completely from GNOME. Nautilus has a "--no-desktop" option as well (I see that Xian just mentioned that as well). You may wish to try that.

stevesk · 06-20-2006, 11:27 AM

Hmmmmm I came to make you updated. I reinstalled slack and now I am not using Gnome/KDE anymore. Nothing personal against who uses, but I think these two pretty heavy (even having a P4 3.0HT 512MB RAM :P). Also, I like more fluxbox than any of these two. Well, I am googling to find good apps that don't need KDE or Gnome, also seeking in freshmeat.net. I see that Slackware comes with GTK+, but I don't want to install anything more related to KDE or Gnome. Well, I have spent some days seeking out for good text editors and file managers/file browsers utils which can replace apps like gedit, konqueror, nautils, etc. I found only these ones:

Text editors:

eddi
gtkedit
leafpad
medit

File browsers - only xfe.

I know that it seems something that I need to do myself, but any help about any other programs in these 2 categories that don't need too many kde/gnome libs would be very appreciated, because it is pretty hard to find programs.

Thanks!

Randux · 06-20-2006, 12:05 PM

The Slackware installation contains these editors which don't have GNOME/KDE dependencies:

Emacs (King of Editors, love him or hate him, he's still the King)
jed
Joe
PICO
xedit
VIM

Some nice ones you can get from net: bluefish (very good) and NEdit (very easy to use).

File manager: best thing is ROX. And you can use it for desktop icons and menubars in flux/blackbox etc.

Terminals you can use aterm, mrxvt, rxvt, xterm, etc.

There are plenty of good apps that don't need desktop. Just search the Slackware forum for "best file manager" etc. and see which ones you can use.

solarfields · 06-20-2006, 02:09 PM

Hi!!

I, personally, started using XFCE, because I do not like QT look, and GNOME was dropped from Slackware. I have tried Freerock and Dropline, but buth were heavy and nor very stable on my machine (Celeron 1200MHz, 256MB RAM). I use the default XFCE that comes with Slackware 10.2, but I compiled Thunar. It is still in a development but it is reasonably stable and very light. I really recommend it to anyone who likes GTK look. Oh, and I compiled latest GNOME icon-set, so it looks very pretty ,-)))

I also like Leafpad, as someone mentioned above.

georgejc · 07-07-2006, 01:51 PM

Just a quick warning concerning dropline gnome.

After I installed dropline gnome for my x86_64 based system that is using Slamd64-10.2b (an unofficial port of Slackware 10.2), it essentially killed my system.

My basic everyday apps still ran fine, and I *thought* that I just saved myself a lot of time, but I soon discovered that my most important apps simply would not run anymore.

Cinelerra http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 crashed on startup. Yes, I know that Cinelerra has its quirks, but there are no other comparable video editing apps for Linux. And, most importantly for me, jack (low latency audio server) http://jackaudio.org would not run properly.
Recompiles of jack & cinelerra did not help. And no jack means no Ardour http://ardour.org or any other of my many excellent audio apps.

Since it was a new system, I decided to do a fresh install, *WITHOUT* dropline. And, I compiled gnome-2.14.2 myself. This way, I know that I won't be doing any system changes like dropline does.

I also installed gnome into /opt/gnome-2.14.2 so this way, any upgrades would be easier than using /usr/local .

I'm not slamming the good people behind dropline, but, you may want to consider another gnome distribution, especially for x86_64 systems.

zborgerd · 07-07-2006, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by georgejc

Just a quick warning concerning dropline gnome.

After I installed dropline gnome for my x86_64 based system that is using Slamd64-10.2b (an unofficial port of Slackware 10.2), it essentially killed my system.

My basic everyday apps still ran fine, and I *thought* that I just saved myself a lot of time, but I soon discovered that my most important apps simply would not run anymore.

Cinelerra http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3 crashed on startup. Yes, I know that Cinelerra has its quirks, but there are no other comparable video editing apps for Linux. And, most importantly for me, jack (low latency audio server) http://jackaudio.org would not run properly.
Recompiles of jack & cinelerra did not help. And no jack means no Ardour http://ardour.org or any other of my many excellent audio apps.

Since it was a new system, I decided to do a fresh install, *WITHOUT* dropline. And, I compiled gnome-2.14.2 myself. This way, I know that I won't be doing any system changes like dropline does.

I also installed gnome into /opt/gnome-2.14.2 so this way, any upgrades would be easier than using /usr/local .

I'm not slamming the good people behind dropline, but, you may want to consider another gnome distribution, especially for x86_64 systems.

Dropline tampers way too much with your original system.

Hmm. It would appear that you've posted this message in about 8 different threads that are related to Dropline. Not sure why you did that, but I guess you've gotten your point across.

It should be noted that Dropline GNOME for Slamd64 is not the same as Dropline GNOME for Slackware. The Slamd version is ported by a single, dedicated developer, and is still in a testing phase. In a way, it's an "unofficial" port of Dropline GNOME and will likely remain that way. It also has a different set of packages from what is included in the standard Dropline GNOME distribution.

Regardless, there is no logical reason why Cinelerra might not work in Dropline vs. your own custom GNOME install. It's hard to tell, now, without any actual information in regards to the crash bug.

I would suspect that there is a deeper problem that cannot be traced now. However, there is no reason that you shouldn't use the right software for you. If that is your own custom GNOME build, then it's probably a good choice.

stevesk · 07-07-2006, 06:45 PM

Well, after so much thinking, even I being still NB to Linux Stuff generally speaking, I decided to set up an alternative system without Gnome and KDE. Here are the programs I am using:

Window Manager:

Fluxbox

Editors:

Bluefish
Eddi
Gtkedit
Leafpad
Medit

File Managers:

Rox
Worker
Xfe

Terminals:

Aterm

Office:

Adobe Reader
Open Office

Soon there will be more programs... :P