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07-26-2006, 10:58 AM
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Canada
Distribution: Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu
Posts: 7,445
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Dropline Gnome Iso available
I've become a real fan of dropline gnome. I just noticed today that a new iso is available for the installation of dropline gnome.
Very cool.
http://www.droplinegnome.net/
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07-26-2006, 01:11 PM
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Registered: Apr 2004
Distribution: Debian -unstable
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I'd probably use Gnome if it'd still be part of Slackware. But Slackware -current + 3rd party Gnome ? Ouch .. no thanks.
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07-26-2006, 03:43 PM
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Canada
Distribution: Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu
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Originally Posted by introuble
I'd probably use Gnome if it'd still be part of Slackware. But Slackware -current + 3rd party Gnome ? Ouch .. no thanks.
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The present version of Dropline Gnome is designed specifically for Slackware 10.2. I'm sure the good people at Dropline will release a new version of Dropline designed for Slackware 11 (I'm guessing that'll happen soon after Pat releases 11). 
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07-26-2006, 07:29 PM
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Registered: Mar 2004
Distribution: Slackware / Dropline GNOME
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Sorry about the delay on the ISO. Since the release of 2.14.2 last month, I wanted to look into an issue with something in the file queue (turned out to be libcairo - but we've also been pretty busy), and held some stuff back for a while. I just decided to go ahead and build it anyway without a few of the updates that were planned.
A few folks have mentioned that they were on dialup, so they couldn't install the updates via the Internet as easily as downloading an ISO from a faster connection somwhere else, so it's nice to have these ISOs out there so that people can be sure to have all of the latest updates.
The ISO's contents matches everything that is available via the normal update process to this date, so if you've kept it updated via the installer, you should have all of the current packs.
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07-26-2006, 08:41 PM
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Registered: Jun 2006
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I'd probably use Gnome if it'd still be part of Slackware. But Slackware -current + 3rd party Gnome ? Ouch .. no thanks.
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Don't know what you're missing. Dropline GNOME is the best desktop implementation I've seen on any distro. It makes perfect sense to me, Pat and Co dedicated to Slackware itself, and the Dropline team dedicated to perfecting the desktop. The integration is seamless, and the recompiled packages contain changes that most people who use a DE would normally want to do, anyway.
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07-27-2006, 02:05 AM
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Registered: Apr 2004
Distribution: Debian -unstable
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shadin: if you would have properly read the requirements page of the dropline gnome website:
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dropline GNOME is compiled on Slackware 10.2 for i686 processors. It will not work properly, or at all on older versions of Slackware or on Slackware Current. It will also not function on processors that are not fully i686 compatable.
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I don't know if this is still available, taken from wikipedia:
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Dropline GNOME has been criticised by some, including Patrick Volkerding, the creator of Slackware, for adding PAM to the system, and replacing large system files, including the whole X11 system [3]. However Dropline GNOME as of July 2006 is the only one out of the three Slackware GNOME options, including GWARE and Freerock
GNOME, to offer a stable release of the latest version of GNOME, 2.14.
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3. ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackwar.../ChangeLog.txt
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Documenting yourself a little bit before installing 3rd party stuff on your box is a *good* thing.
I run Slackware -current.
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07-27-2006, 08:36 AM
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Registered: Mar 2004
Distribution: Slackware / Dropline GNOME
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We only tend to support the most recent stable version of Slackware. Current is too unreliable and is a moving target. We plan to have Dropline GNOME 2.16.0 as our first release for Slackware 11, assuming that everything pans out okay.
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07-27-2006, 08:38 AM
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Malaysia
Distribution: Slackware
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What exactly is so bad about PAM? Just curious.
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07-27-2006, 08:39 AM
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Registered: Nov 2002
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I think that wikapedia entry is pure BS. From my personal experience, Dropline is the best running Gnome desktop for Slackware. In my experience, things work better and the folks on the Dropline forum are friendly and helpful. I believe the package changes they make allow the system to work better than a stock Slackware system for desktop use.
You are right about it not working with current. I don't mind waiting until v11 is out so I can continue to use Dropline with Slackware.
For me, Slackware plus Dropline gives me the best of both worlds, a very smooth Gnome desktop along with the simplicity and stability of my favorite distro, Slackware.
Bob
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07-27-2006, 09:17 AM
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Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Canada
Distribution: Slackware, Debian, Ubuntu
Posts: 7,445
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Originally Posted by rje_NC
For me, Slackware plus Dropline gives me the best of both worlds, a very smooth Gnome desktop along with the simplicity and stability of my favorite distro, Slackware.
Bob
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I couldn't agree more:-)
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07-27-2006, 09:49 AM
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Registered: Jun 2006
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I'm perfectly documented in everything that Dropline GNOME installs, and I can't find anything wrong with any of it. PAM is only used where needed, and it's used correctly. The idea that there's something insecure or evil with PAM is pure BS. The only time it can be insecure is when it's used incorrectly, and you know what? That goes for almost anything you could install, whether it comes with the distro or not. You always have to RTFM or you leave yourself open to a risk.
The Dropline developers have RTFM. It's used sparingly and securely, and as a matter of fact, if anyone takes the time to read all the documentation, it actually helps out in security.
As for running -Current with Dropline/GWARE/Freerock, sure, that can be problematic, since they all specify they're for 10.2. I've never had an issue running current with them, but I can see where something might need to be tweaked, since -current is inherently unstable at times. So I apologize there, it was late, I was tired, and I didn't fully grasp that comment about -current in the original post.
I for one wish the Wikipedia entry would change. I love Slackware, and think Patrick is great, but it always rubbed me wrong how he gave Dropline a bad name just because he doesn't like the fact that PAM is coming more and more into use. Too many people take everything he suggests as absolute truth and won't even research themselves and possibly try new things. Hell, if that should be the case, we should all be running 2.4 kernels still.
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07-27-2006, 02:41 PM
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Registered: Apr 2004
Distribution: Debian -unstable
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I don't know why everyone got so fixed up on the PAM issue.
Why is the Wikipedia entry BS? And why should it be removed? It presents a fact.
I don't care to assume the risk of running Dropline Gnome + Slackware -current. Other might, I do not. No big deal.
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07-27-2006, 04:50 PM
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Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Greensboro, NC
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I guess everyone is in agreement here, since the Dropline developers don't want you to run Dropline with Slackware current either! They say so pretty clearly in their docs.
Bob
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