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Old 09-06-2019, 03:42 AM   #796
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There is slackware.com . Adding a way to donate would maybe take 15 minutes. one link, and a few lines of text with the info. I really wonder what the reason could be to make it this difficult.
I'm going to offer a very subjective theory in view of no other forthcoming information. Patrick is something of an eccentric character, from what I can tell. Additionally, he gets very absorbed in and dedicated to certain things - this is when he is at his most productive. The same is true of me, I do my best writing and composition when I am thoroughly entrenched in what I am doing with no other distractions. It's also known as being "in the zone" or "internalising". As Stephen King said, "write your first draft with the door closed, the second with it open", i.e. the groundwork for any project is best done entirely in private, and then others can come in and read and offer suggestions when it comes to revisions [or testing, in the case of software development].

Those who are obsessive creatives, like myself, can be quite reclusive characters. They may not like the public eye, they do their best work 'behind' something - whether that be a camera, a canvas, a musical instrument, a fourth wall or a computer screen. The medium acts as a divider between themselves and the world through which they can interpret it in the context of their own skills and experience. If their creativity is sufficiently perceptive and incisive, this different interpretation of reality can cede a product that can benefit others in terms of understanding the world better or of producing in new ways within it.

Years ago I was admin for a website. We had a tonne of journalists who we recruited, I also wrote articles and built the web pages. As far as I was concerned, the main point of the website was the content, which I worked, at times, fiercely, to produce. There were other parts of the website which fell into neglect as a result. Over time, even though I knew that these parts of the site needed to be worked on, I just didn't get round to it. And the longer I left it, the less I felt like doing it. I was more interested in the constant turnover of new material to write which never, ever relented. We weren't a one-man admin site, but if we had been, probably more parts would have got left out for longer.

I can only draw from my own experience as a creative, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Patrick is a creative type. There is quite some correlation between creative writing, building websites, mathematics, artistry and programming. People think these things inhabit different parts of the brain so they are 'different' in essence but they are not that different, they just are different methods of creating things [and let's not get into the topic of maths and music, which further blurs the boundaries between left and right brain]. In short, Slackware is Pat's dedication to the world of software, his [maybe unwittingly successful] massive contribution to Linux and beyond. I think that the looming 15.0 beta is taking up the majority of his headspace more than we realise [note that he wasn't going to announce the Patreon until the beta] and until that hurdle is out the way, other things will remain in stasis.

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Old 09-06-2019, 08:24 AM   #797
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It's pretty cool that the Patreon has already reached 1700+ USD/month. Imagine if we had an 'official' kickoff and could campaign for this to hit other media sites (HN, /., etc.)
Either way I hope this is helping PV. I'm sure he's not upset about the response so far
 
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Old 09-06-2019, 10:04 AM   #798
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I'm going to offer a very subjective theory in view of no other forthcoming information. Patrick is something of an eccentric character, from what I can tell. Additionally, he gets very absorbed in and dedicated to certain things - this is when he is at his most productive. The same is true of me, I do my best writing and composition when I am thoroughly entrenched in what I am doing with no other distractions. It's also known as being "in the zone" or "internalising". As Stephen King said, "write your first draft with the door closed, the second with it open", i.e. the groundwork for any project is best done entirely in private, and then others can come in and read and offer suggestions when it comes to revisions [or testing, in the case of software development].

Those who are obsessive creatives, like myself, can be quite reclusive characters. They may not like the public eye, they do their best work 'behind' something - whether that be a camera, a canvas, a musical instrument, a fourth wall or a computer screen. The medium acts as a divider between themselves and the world through which they can interpret it in the context of their own skills and experience. If their creativity is sufficiently perceptive and incisive, this different interpretation of reality can cede a product that can benefit others in terms of understanding the world better or of producing in new ways within it.

Years ago I was admin for a website. We had a tonne of journalists who we recruited, I also wrote articles and built the web pages. As far as I was concerned, the main point of the website was the content, which I worked, at times, fiercely, to produce. There were other parts of the website which fell into neglect as a result. Over time, even though I knew that these parts of the site needed to be worked on, I just didn't get round to it. And the longer I left it, the less I felt like doing it. I was more interested in the constant turnover of new material to write which never, ever relented. We weren't a one-man admin site, but if we had been, probably more parts would have got left out for longer.

I can only draw from my own experience as a creative, and there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that Patrick is a creative type. There is quite some correlation between creative writing, building websites, mathematics, artistry and programming. People think these things inhabit different parts of the brain so they are 'different' in essence but they are not that different, that just are different methods of creating things [and let's not get into the topic of maths and music, which further blurs the boundaries between left and right brain]. In short, Slackware is Pat's dedication to the world of software, his [maybe unwittingly successful] but massive contribution to Linux and beyond. I think that the looming 15.0 beta is taking up the majority of his headspace more than we realise [note that he wasn't going to announce the Patreon until the beta] and until that hurdle is out the way, other things will remain in stasis.
I get what you mean. The thing is that this would require very little editing and thinking. It's not like a whole promotion page and selling something, which is not something to look forward to if you don't have that mindset, and are just interested in technical stuff.

It would be simply a donation link with the valid legit addresses on "slackware.com". I think that Patrick Volkerding has created a lot of goodwill over the years( 26 years!), but not giving people the information is just a hurdle too much for many people to leave financial support for a project they like, which basically results in a missed donation.
 
Old 09-06-2019, 12:19 PM   #799
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It would be simply a donation link with the valid legit addresses on "slackware.com". I think that Patrick Volkerding has created a lot of goodwill over the years( 26 years!), but not giving people the information is just a hurdle too much for many people to leave financial support for a project they like, which basically results in a missed donation.
I can somewhat understand the frustration out there about the slackware.com website, however, I suspect that editing the Slackware website isn't right at the top of Mr. Volkerding's to do list. Mr. Volkerding is working hard to get a beta release of Slackware 15.0 out the door. I'm not going to second guess our maintainer. He'll get it right.
 
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Old 09-06-2019, 12:31 PM   #800
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[...] They may not like the public eye, they do their best work 'behind' something - whether that be a camera, a canvas, a musical instrument, a fourth wall or a computer screen. The medium acts as a divider between themselves and the world through which they can interpret it in the context of their own skills and experience.
Off Topic: Are you developing these ideas anywhere? There could be a paper in it. c.f. Richard Sennett's Craftsman.

On Topic: Should all of us here just have a go at editing down the text of the slackware.com pages to a single page landing site with links to mirrors, slackdocs, patreon and paypal for possible future use? Just start a thread with text? Just a proof read resource, no pressure.

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Old 09-07-2019, 02:34 AM   #801
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nvm.

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Old 09-11-2019, 09:02 AM   #802
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Using Slackware since last 5 years. I have joined. 380th member. From India.
 
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:05 AM   #803
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Using Slackware since last 5 years. I have joined. 380th member. From India.
Cool! Thanks for supporting Slackware!
 
Old 09-14-2019, 10:08 AM   #804
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I've updated the LQWiki Slackware FAQ with the current support options.

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/...t_Slackware.3F
 
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Old 09-14-2019, 10:13 AM   #805
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Did a quick edit to my Slackware Patreon membership; I've increased my payment effective October 1st.
 
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Old 09-15-2019, 04:18 AM   #806
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I can somewhat understand the frustration out there about the slackware.com website, however, I suspect that editing the Slackware website isn't right at the top of Mr. Volkerding's to do list. Mr. Volkerding is working hard to get a beta release of Slackware 15.0 out the door. I'm not going to second guess our maintainer. He'll get it right.
the thing is... many people have offered to help. Slackware's website as it is now does more harm to the project than good. As it has been pointed out by others, it is heavily outdated. The only place that gives an indication that the distro is active is the ChangeLog. That being said, I do like the design a lot.
 
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the thing is... many people have offered to help. Slackware's website as it is now does more harm to the project than good. As it has been pointed out by others, it is heavily outdated. The only place that gives an indication that the distro is active is the ChangeLog. That being said, I do like the design a lot.
I do as well; I like the minimalist design.
 
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:41 AM   #808
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I also like the design.
 
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Old 09-16-2019, 07:19 AM   #809
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I also like the design.
Ditto.
Great design, IMHO, just needs a bit of a "refresh."

I have the time and would be willing to learn whatever is necessary to edit the page every now and then.

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Old 09-16-2019, 07:32 AM   #810
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Ditto.
Great design, IMHO, just needs a bit of a "refresh."

I have the time and would be willing to learning whatever is necessary to edit the page every now and then.
Well, why don't you try to contact Patrick about it. Then tell us how this works out? If he agrees, I will personally send you both a can of beer.
 
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