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Old 07-27-2018, 05:12 PM   #331
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On a side note, back in 2013, I was facing serious financial problems (french alt-right guy filed a lawsuit after I google-bombed him). My lawyer cost me about five thousand euros, and I didn't know what to do. I published a little page on my site, and my girlfriend suggested I add a PayPal link, "so folks can send you a handful of euros for moral support". As it turned out, the sum collected in a matter of weeks was enough to pay the lawsuit costs, and this was far beyond my expectations. I got donations from people all over the world, many of them I didn't even know.

So I think it should be no problem for Patrick to get sufficient support for Slackware via a direct PayPal link. The product he creates is used by many people all over the world, and the existing userbase seems to be quite significant. If a prank gone wrong can mobilize so much support, I guess an operating system done right has so much more chances.

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Old 07-27-2018, 05:13 PM   #332
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I am sure he would appreciate GiftCards, Visa, Mastercard etc... Or a money order etc...
Yes. I have good success with OneVanilla pre-paids. No online registration. Anonymous although the sender's IP address might reveal information.

Back to the original suggestion, if Pat leased a local PO box then this would provide a way to donate for those who do not have online accounts. Same alleged risks with cash.

Perhaps other avenues will more easily support pre-paid cards. If Pat opens a crowd-sourcing account then possibly a pre-paid will work nicely.
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 05:18 PM   #333
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Still not sure how to move forward, but I have some hope that the community might think that my work is and has been worth supporting. If at all possible I'd like to get away from replicating physical media which seems to be a lost cause. T-shirts? Well, maybe, but I don't see that providing a reasonable income either. I'm wondering how Patreon would do. It would at least be better than nothing, which is where I am now.
I'm with you on the physical media side of things... It only adds cost these days, and everyone is on fibre... let 'em download an official iso (or at least the instructions for how to generate one). As for the other merchandise... Meh!
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Through all of this I have continued to work hard towards getting Slackware 15.0 released because I believe it will be by far the best release we've ever had, and because I'm dedicated to my work and the community that uses it. I've never really been in this for the money.
And it is because of your efforts that I've been able to use Linux as my primary OS for this long. Yours is the only distribution which makes any sense. I wouldn't have lasted 2 weeks in the Linux world without Slackware, much less 20 years.
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At any given juncture (including now) I've had numerous opportunities that would support me and my family far better and would provide us with the things that we need rather desperately. I mean, I'm sitting here in a house with a giant hole in the roof, a broken door sealed with duct tape, and a failed air conditioning condenser that I can't afford to fix, my wife has been driving on a spare tire for weeks, my teeth need serious attention again, and I only just got a machine here with UEFI for the first time (bought a used machine... really out of my budget but it had to be done).
All I can say is thanks man. If I ever meet you in person, I'm going to shout you a beer!
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I'm open to suggestions at this point. As far as Slackware 15.0 goes, I've been testing PAM and Kerberos here and have given quite some thought to trying to get them merged (or at least in /testing) so that we can have proper support for Active Directory and NFS. Plasma 5 has been a consideration as well, although frankly it's grown much larger than GNOME was back when I decided that should be spun off for third party maintenance. If that's going in, we really need to analyze which dependencies would not be used outside of Plasma and stick all of those in the KDE series. I'm as tired of the pollution of the L series as the rest of you are.
I'll be happy with your decisions whichever way you go on any of those. I, for one, will continue using Slackware regardless.

Speaking as someone who appreciates simplification, you'll gain a ton of capacity by cutting KDE loose... Perhaps (if you feel that XFCE needs some competition) Lumina could be included in its place?

PAM and Kerberos are important these days. I think including them would enable people to install Slackware in more commercial environments.

Edit: Wow, this thread is 23 pages after only a few days. I hope everyone who posted has also donated!

Edit2: Mods, can this thread please be "stickied"?

Last edited by rkelsen; 07-27-2018 at 05:35 PM.
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 05:38 PM   #334
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All I can say is thanks man. If I ever meet you in person, I'm going to shout you a beer
Make it a Guinness
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:39 PM   #335
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Donation sent from Oklahoma USA
I've used Slackware since 1996. =D

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It only adds cost these days, and everyone is on fibre...
Not everyone has fiber. I have an Internet COOP where I live in Oklahoma.
(Speed is costly in some areas and cell phone coverage is terrible. I'm not in a metro location)
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:55 PM   #336
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I hope for the best for you and your family, Patrick. The people here support you for all the great work you do.
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:26 PM   #337
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Sent my support from the Philippines, hope it helps!
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 10:43 PM   #338
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Contribution sent. I used to use my Discover cc with PayPal, but now they charge a fee for that. No charge for sucking it out of my checking account or using my PayPal cash deposit.
 
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Old 07-27-2018, 11:43 PM   #339
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Long time user (93 or 94, IIRC). Donated in the past to both PV and AlienBob, but time for another donation.

Too bad about the store - I really like my Slackware polo.. Now I won't like it as much, and would feel bad about buying another one, as I had intended..

PV - here's hoping for the best for you and yours.
 
Old 07-27-2018, 11:51 PM   #340
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The PayPal.me FAQ states that you need a PayPal account in order to donate money through a paypal.me URL.
On the other hand, when you create a regular PayPal donation link, the donator kan select payment through credit card as far as I recall.
Please shall we say "cut me some Slack" if I'm just being dense but I studied that PayPal.Me FAQ and it states one must create a PayPal account so that's not what I was referring to specifically and apparently won't work for me.

What I'm referring to I will attempt to explain better. Some sites start with a page that looks like the attached png ..............

I can't show the next page when selecting "credit card through PayPal" that oddly has two checkboxes once again offering direct PayPal payment or a second choice that offers Credit/Debit Card payment. When using that second box I get confirmation from PayPal, along with an invitation to join, but payment goes through routinely with no problems other than overseas purchases commonly prompt an automated call from bank to verify the purchase, so I have to re-enter the desired payment but I prefer that to PayPal.

So is this a possible addition for payment method for you, Patrick.

Note: I don't wish to cast aspersions on PayPal for what was probably just an over zealous sales rep but that rep flat out lied to me to assure me my account would be setup as I'd indicated (from which account funds would be withdrawn) just to sign me up... and yeah, I'm vindictive like that. I don't do business with people who hire liars to represent them.
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Old 07-28-2018, 12:01 AM   #341
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Please shall we say "cut me some Slack" if I'm just being dense but I studied that PayPal.Me FAQ and it states one must create a PayPal account so that's not what I was referring to specifically and apparently won't work for me.

What I'm referring to I will attempt to explain better. Some sites start with a page that looks like the attached png ..............
It seems like PayPal decided to have paypal.me links require signup whereas other types of paypal payments don't. I don't know why they felt the need to mandate accounts be required to use them.

I wasn't even sure my paypal was still active since I don't think I've used it since my glory days with ebay, but it was still good and my checking account was still listed. I hope Pat and family are enjoying an excellent meal this weekend. They certainly deserve it. And hopefully repairs have been scheduled and the tire replaced with plenty left over.

Now we just need a way to have donations come out automatically. If they don't pull automatically, I'll forget.
 
Old 07-28-2018, 12:33 AM   #342
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Good Grief. Now I feel guilty for having bought anything at the store. I do love the baseball cap though since I am a bit "hair challenged" these days and it doesn't seem to wan to grow back ... Procrastination had prevented me from starting a DVD subscription. I like physical media, but I usually keep a hard drive rsynced with the various trees and use either PXE or AlienBob's scripts to create an install DVD.

I've used Slackware[32,64] exclusively at home after SLAMD64 when I upgraded to an Athlon64. I think Pat, Eric and the team did an exellent job getting Slackware64 up and running. Most of my boxes are now 64-bit. Before that, it was a dual boot with Windows for games and software I couldn't run otherwise.

I'll kick in a donation to pay for the shirts and cap, and eagerly await a method to set up a subscription. A way to set up merchandise/swag where PAt gets a majority cut will also be nice. You gotta have swag these days to promote your brand. Besides, a shirt/cap is nice for LUG meetings etc.
 
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Old 07-28-2018, 12:43 AM   #343
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For those not following the changelog, Pat posted an update:

Code:
Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you to
everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this
project going. As most of you are already aware by now, the financal situation
here at Slackware HQ has not been great for many years, including not getting
any pay for the last two years and forcing me (and my family) to live very
frugally while I continued to work on the project hoping I'd figure out a way
to actually monitize it by the time that Slackware 15.0 is ready for release.
I'm not trying to cast any blame regarding the situation. Really, I can only
blame myself for not trying to build my own ship years ago when things began
to not really work out. I'm still looking into sustainable funding options
such as Patreon or Liberapay (or perhaps both), and I'm open to other ideas.
I'm no longer in immediate danger of going broke, and I'm no longer
entertaining the notion of joining my friends at the local potato chip factory
in order to pay my bills. :) My family is grateful and humbled by the support
we've received. Hope we'll be able to keep this project going for a long time.
Also, I realize that the website lacks updates and needs attention and I will
need to find some time to devote to that. I've never been much of a website
designer, and the slackware.com site is basically left over from work done by
former Walnut Creek / BSDi employees. I've never seen able to make much sense
of the SQL backend. The interface to edit and post articles is clunky (and
I'm not sure the PHP for that even works any more). When I've posted articles
in recent years, I've done so by editing the main page already processed from
PHP into HTML, which is pretty darn messy as I'm sure you can imagine. I tend
to prioritize the distribution itself over other demands on my time - that's
clearly a lot to do with how things ended up the way they did.
So, I guess that's the report for now. Lots more work to do and not enough
time to do it in... that part I don't see changing moving forward. :)
Thanks very much again. I'll do my best to keep you all posted.
       - Pat
 
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Old 07-28-2018, 01:41 AM   #344
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for the website, I think, what you want Pat, is a static website generator
than you write your homepage in markdown, or better asciidoctor, and generate the HTML

for the Slackware site, no CMS + DB backed is needed, the changelog,what is the most synamic part, is loaded anyway as a text file from a server, and the rest is more like a blog...
 
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Old 07-28-2018, 02:29 AM   #345
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Donation sent just prior to reading the ChangeLog. ( wrong end of the month for a larger donation, but immediacy is sometimes more important )

That you've been doing all this work that I, and it seems many others, enjoy while facing so many other issues only makes me more grateful.

If you were a businessman or a web-designer I doubt Slackware would be a shadow of what it is, so for that please continue as you do

But, seriously, please don't let it get so bad before you holler.

I hope it doesn't though and to help with that a recurring donation will be set up as soon as you put the mechanism in place (low fees please - small and recurring works better for me than large and occasional in terms of budgeting, lumps of cash just don't happen )

As for Slackware's direction? Your choices so far have been pretty good and I have no doubts in that continuing. Slackware 15.0 can wait as far as I'm concerned, it will be ready when you and it are ready, I'm cool with that

Get your house in order first, literally and figuratively,

Thanks and good luck
 
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