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View Poll Results: Do you use a DE in Slackware? Which?
No, I rather use a WM or sth else (fluxbox etc.) 53 42.40%
Xfce 44 35.20%
KDE Plasma 28 22.40%
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Old 07-19-2018, 04:45 PM   #76
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I like KDE, but as I have four KDE 4 installations, one Trinity and one Plasma 5, I can say KDE 4 for me, but I do like to have variety to spice it all up.

It's a home multi-boot system with Lilo so only myself to answer to.

 
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Old 07-19-2018, 08:55 PM   #77
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Mate SlackBuilds... Gracias Willy SR !!!!
 
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Old 07-19-2018, 10:15 PM   #78
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I suggest you read the poll options again.
I think that the "umbrella term" from the third option is not clear enough. There are people who like KDE4 but despise the Plasma 5.

And yes, that third option on poll also suggested for me that refers to the Plasma 5.

But that does not bothered me, because I use XFCE and I am very satisfied of it, in 2 boxes and 2 netbooks. Hence I voted it.

Recently, in a 5th computer, I installed also KDE4 as by the recommended "full install" and, to be honest, I am not impressed.

That KDE4 eat some gigabytes in plus for giving a taskbar, a fancy window manager and an editor.

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Old 07-19-2018, 10:17 PM   #79
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Mate SlackBuilds... Gracias Willy SR !!!!
I would love to see MATE adopted by Slackware.

Thank you Willy SR for your great work!
 
Old 07-19-2018, 11:29 PM   #80
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And yes, that third option on poll also suggested for me that refers to the Plasma 5.
That misunderstanding is no one's fault but your own. Plasma is the name of KDE's desktop environment in both KDE 4 and 5. KDE 4 is currently the only one that is even included in Slackware, so I don't know why you would think he was asking about Plasma 5 unless he had explicitly mentioned it, which he didn't.

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Old 07-20-2018, 12:04 AM   #81
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That misunderstanding is no one's fault but your own. Plasma is the name of KDE's desktop environment in both KDE 4 and 5. KDE 4 is currently the only one that is even included in Slackware, so I don't know why you would think he was asking about Plasma 5 unless he had explicitly mentioned it, which he didn't.
I think that people who used KDE 3 refer to KDE as KDE 4. The newer generation calls KDE 4, KDE Plasma 4, as it should be called. Really the error is with the KDE developers for renaming their product, leaving it similarly named, only creating confusion. At least that is my take on it. I've never really been a big KDE user so that is just an outside perspective. I think the last time I used KDE (before installing Slackware in 2015) was in 2004 and I swiftly removed it.
 
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Old 07-20-2018, 01:07 AM   #82
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I think that unless you specify a version, when you refer to a software, does not mater if it is XFCE or whatever, implicitly you talk about the current stable version.

And in KDE Plasma case, its current stable version is 5.13.2, then I think we should read the third option in poll accordingly.

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Old 07-20-2018, 10:55 AM   #83
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And in KDE Plasma case, its current stable version is 5.13.2, then I think we should read the third option in poll accordingly.
But the current stable version is not in available in Slackware without installing unofficial 3rd-party packages.

And if you read OP's original post, it doesn't seem like they're asking about ktown, just what's already included in Slackware.

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Hey guys,

having trouble deciding between Xfce and KDE Plasma. If you use a DE, which do you prefer on Slackware? Which is "better supported"?
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In regards to the question, I've been using KDE from my RedHat 7 days (probably 2001) including when I switched to Slackware in the mid-2000s (around 10.1 or 10.2, I can't remember which). When Slackware moved to KDE4, it wasn't the easiest transition for me since they had changed a lot of things and many of the things I used frequently were no longer available. However, I grew to enjoy KDE4 and would probably have a hard time switching back to KDE3 now (still thinking of trying TDE, but I've been lazy).

That being said, a few years ago, due to some botched frankenstein upgrading of some packages, I wasn't able to run KDE for a few months (again, I was lazy in trying to troubleshoot the problem and didn't want to deal with reverting), so I switched to XFCE. While it is a relatively nice DE, I did find it wasn't always consistent and I felt it wasn't complete. I had constant issues with themes. Krusader, my preferred file manager, had issues with the text under a highlighted filename, it'd be the same color as the highlight, so you couldn't view any text if you had a filename selected. So I went off to the theme manager and started hunting for themes I liked. I found them to be quite inconsistent where it would only theme certain parts of the DE, and they never seemed to be the same. I eventually found one that suited my taste, but I think it took a few weeks (sometimes it'd take me a few days to find a deal-breaker with that theme).

The other issue I found is it didn't seem to properly respect my power control settings. My computer stays on 24/7, but I like my monitors to power off/standby when they aren't used for so long. This never worked as well as KDE and it seemed like a hodgepodge of software cobbled together to try and make it work. Sometimes it would, other times I'd come in the room after waking up the next day and my monitors will still on (luckily they're LED monitors, so not super power hungry).

I was also not a fan of Thunar, but it was long enough ago, I couldn't tell you why now. I tried using it for several weeks, but ended up going back to krusader (and sometimes dolphin or konqueror... I can never remember which is the browser and which is the file manager).

If I remember correctly, this was initially running the stock 4.10 version from 14.1 and then upgrading to Robby's 4.12 when he made them available. I was happy to get back to KDE when I upgraded my system to 14.2 (thus resolving my frankenstein mess of packages). I haven't used XFCE since 14.2 was released, so it's possible some of my frustrations have been resolved.

Overall, XFCE has a lot going for it, but it seems like it needs just a bit more polish until I can use it consistently.
 
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Old 07-20-2018, 05:55 PM   #84
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I miss windowmaker, best ever imho.
The lighter/efficient, the better.
Now using eith xfce or lxde depending on the distro being installed.
Or none if it was a server.
 
Old 07-20-2018, 08:39 PM   #85
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...........That being said, a few years ago, due to some botched frankenstein upgrading of some packages, I wasn't able to run KDE for a few months (again, I was lazy in trying to troubleshoot the problem and didn't want to deal with reverting), so I switched to XFCE. While it is a relatively nice DE, I did find it wasn't always consistent and I felt it wasn't complete. I had constant issues with themes. Krusader, my preferred file manager, had issues with the text under a highlighted filename, it'd be the same color as the highlight, so you couldn't view any text if you had a filename selected. So I went off to the theme manager and started hunting for themes I liked. I found them to be quite inconsistent where it would only theme certain parts of the DE, and they never seemed to be the same. I eventually found one that suited my taste, but I think it took a few weeks (sometimes it'd take me a few days to find a deal-breaker with that theme).

The other issue I found is it didn't seem to properly respect my power control settings. My computer stays on 24/7, but I like my monitors to power off/standby when they aren't used for so long. This never worked as well as KDE and it seemed like a hodgepodge of software cobbled together to try and make it work. Sometimes it would, other times I'd come in the room after waking up the next day and my monitors will still on (luckily they're LED monitors, so not super power hungry).

I was also not a fan of Thunar, but it was long enough ago, I couldn't tell you why now. I tried using it for several weeks, but ended up going back to krusader (and sometimes dolphin or konqueror... I can never remember which is the browser and which is the file manager).

If I remember correctly, this was initially running the stock 4.10 version from 14.1 and then upgrading to Robby's 4.12 when he made them available. I was happy to get back to KDE when I upgraded my system to 14.2 (thus resolving my frankenstein mess of packages). I haven't used XFCE since 14.2 was released, so it's possible some of my frustrations have been resolved.

Overall, XFCE has a lot going for it, but it seems like it needs just a bit more polish until I can use it consistently.
Xfce has come a long ways in recent years.
It took me a while to find a theme I could live with and applications to replace what I liked in KDE. Plus there have been some incremental improvements to various Xfce apps.
XScreensaver works just fine (turn off screen controls in the Xfce power management plug-in).
XnView MP is a great improvement over Gwenview, gThumb, etc.
Mousepad, with a tweak, replaces Kwrite (and LibreOffice for everything else related.)
Midnight Commander for a file manager. Thunar is OK, but, on rare occasion I still fire up dolphin. BTW, Konquerer was the file manager.
Xfce Terminal to replace Konsole.
Catfish a a file search app and can be combined with Thunar.
Adobe Reader to replace Okular.
Aisleriot for solitaire.
I do miss yawp.
Oh, and during the Holidays there is always XSnow.
 
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Old 07-23-2018, 10:17 AM   #86
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Xfce has come a long ways in recent years.
I was running 4.12, which is the same major version that's in -current. Granted, it is possible the 4 patch releases might've fixed a few of the complaints I had, but overall, it still seems it needs polish.

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It took me a while to find a theme I could live with and applications to replace what I liked in KDE. Plus there have been some incremental improvements to various Xfce apps.
I don't mind the extra space requirements required by KDE and memory concern is not one for me since I have many other memory hungry programs that use many more times RAM than KDE. It's a very small drop in the bucket, and even if I shave half my startup RAM usage by switching to a different WM/DE and associated programs, it's not enough to really affect my RAM usage any noticeable amount (I have 32GB of RAM and will still get into my 16GB swap semi-frequently). For me, switching to a different WM/DE would be for usability, not to minimize resource usage.

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XScreensaver works just fine (turn off screen controls in the Xfce power management plug-in).
This is an example of something that makes XFCE not seem polished. Why should I need to disable the in-built program to use a different one just to get working power management? (I never use screensavers, just blank the screen for 5 minutes before it shuts off.)

I certainly don't mean to belittle those who like XFCE. It is certainly a nice DE that has a lot of benefits, but with the way I use my DEs, it doesn't check all the boxes, just as many people feel KDE check all their boxes. I'm just glad we have plenty of choices
 
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