Do you like the look of the fonts in 13.37 ?
 

A nice simple YES / NO / OFNAP (Oh! **** not another poll) poll about the font rendering in the latest and, in my not so humble opinion, the greatest release of Slackware.

I just changed my fonts back to the old method using the information found in http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackwar..._AND_HINTS.TXT, and from the number of threads about this subject I'm probably not the only one.

samac

yes

For what it's worth, I have never had a problem with fonts on any linux distro I have ever used.
Since I have been using linux, the fonts on Windows XP look really crappy to me by comparison. I don't know why that is. I have never had to do anything special with fonts on linux. They always just look fine to me.

As long as they're readable they're alright. They're different from previous versions (because of freetype), but they look ok to me.

I'd forgotten all about this. When the change first hit current I was horrified by the new font rendering, but after adding 10-autohints and getting used to the slight differences that still remained I'd consider it "ok".

I'm still not convinced it looks as good as the old rendering, but that's probably getting into the territory of individual preference. I also suspect that the physical characteristics of the monitor being used also play a factor. Default Vista font settings don't look too great on my screen either.

I agree with that (the XP part). Still, I voted no because, even though the new look wasn't too bad, the old one was much smoother to my eyes. This might look surprising since the patented, "precious" code might be thought to be "better", but from what I've read it seems that the patented code is more suitable for commercial fonts, whereas the alternative code is better for the free fonts. This may explain the situation.

Yeah me too. When i upgraded at that time and started firefox, i said omg what is this, but adding 10-autohint fixed it. I don't understand why the rendering was horrible though. This super-duper bytecode interpreter supposedly was so good that they patented it. Shouldn't it make rendering better ?

Edit: Oops, Ilgar got to it first :)

Nice, article. The "does not work well (or at all) for non-Western text that requires a different approach to hinting." fact is weird though. When i enabled autohint i had better Greek rendering (unless "non-Western" is referring to Chinese/Japanese fonts)

I voted no and used the reversion trick. The problem was that system fonts looked smaller and pixelated, but using that trick now fonts on some web pages in chromium are a lot larger than they used to be.

*Edit: having tried both settings I prefer how web pages are rendered with autohinting off. I'm not sure why it should change the size of fonts..

In KDE a big, NO.

In Xfce, yes, but the fonts have always looked better in Xfce, IMHO. By "always," I mean in Xfce versions 4.6.1/2 and 4.8, running in Slackware64, 13.1, current, and 13.37.

I'm OK with the fonts.

Yes, I like them.

I change to 13.1 fonts.

I've got to agree with this. Before I read C+H hints I thought I'd either have to permanently use XFCE or switch back to 13.1 as the fonts in KDE were so bad. They actually strained my eyes in certain applications and where effectively unusable. The hint in C+H has put everything back to normal. I think some people must have a very different set up than me because if everyone had the same look to their fonts as I had then no one would vote YES!

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Eric

In Xfce,I don't like it.

I notice no difference in fonts on any computer i use.

I rebuilt freetype and uncommented the Microsoft patents line and rebuilt fontconfig with dugan's patches. In the past, I would also rebuild libXft and cairo with dugan's patches, but I don't think that is necessary anymore.

Yes, I like them; it saves me a step that was necessary in the past, namely to recompile freetype with the bytecode interpreter enabled.

But with the bytecode interpreter enabled, the best fonts to use are well-hinted fonts with antialiasing disabled for smaller sizes. See my 5-step process and local.conf file posted in the "Slackware64 13.37 Font Ugliness" thread for a sample configuration.

Rather ugly until I antialiased all bold fonts.

Thanks! The hint in C&H did the trick for KDE.
:hattip:

I tried to link 10-autohint but no good. In addition it put my konsole caret to the wrong place.

You are right.

I voted No.
Thanks for the tip though. Looks a lot better now. :)

can someone post a screenshot of these new fonts... i don't have time to install 13.37 for a few weeks, but really want to see what the fonts look like

Had to write a config file to antialias bold fonts, otherwise ...

crap... that does not look good...

That's strange because it doesn't look like that for me, it looks a lot better than both of those. I guess I can post a sample if you want.

but in reality this looks better
only thing that i make was to setup DPI (force fonts DPI )to 96 in kde systems settings

Here's what fonts look like for me.

Try to set the anti-aliases to "slight" in your system settings.

Kind regards

hmmm. I haven't seen much change on my system... and to answer the poll question, yes, I do like the fonts.

Please do. Thanks. I really don't think my case is normal.

Hi H_TeXMeX_H, That's normal. You are using a Sans font and I am using Serif ... and your font has larger pixel size. I also tried larger fonts and they had no problem.

Yeah, I use Sans because it's large and readable ... and that's what I need. Either way it looks ok.

To see a list of known fontconfig fonts in an easy to read format:

I just changed my settings because of your screenshot. Much better. Thanks.

samac

I didn't notice any difference :D

Anyway, I use XFCE with anti-alias and medium hint way back 13.1 and it still look the same to me in 13.37.

Me too.

I definitely saw a difference upon first starting up (though I already assumed I would prefer the 'old style' as mentioned in CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT), and I wasn't overly fond of it (though I could live with it). After using the autohinter there is still a very subtle difference from 13.1 but I actually prefer it. So I'm perfectly happy with the current font situation, though it should be noted that I care very little about fonts. ;)

YES, i like them. I used to recompile freetype before.

i didnt like the fonts in KDE especially the font in firefox. But in XFCE is really good. why? can anyone point me how to repair the font in KDE?

See post #13, on page 1, of this same thread.

That's terrible, I could not work with fonts like that.
I hope I can change font look in 13.37 to this one I have in my 12.2.
I haven't had time to upgrade to 13.37 yet and I've skipped 13 and 13.1 because 12.2 has been so good and I didn't want to deal with the unfinished KDE 4
But I'm upgrading this week so I hope I can make the changes. Verdana is my favorite font for onscreen reading.
I've tested many other fonts but I could never make any other font look as sharp and clear as Verdana. Have my eyes been infected by some Microsoft virus?! Please help! :)

The answer is no in regards the commandline. The fonts are too small. The good news is that they can be changed.

Problem solved after forcing freetype to not anti-alias Liberation Sans and Liberation Serif by creating a /etc/fonts/local.conf file.
By default these beautiful fonts are anti-aliased to ugly faces.

I have to agree fonts were so much better in 12.2 TT
I tweaked around without success...

What did you put inside /etc/fonts/local.conf ?