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Old 08-01-2009, 04:27 AM   #31
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I dont know if this will work but if the problems started after the xorg.conf was created try commenting out the section for your keyboard as the Nvidia installer probably got it wrong. Also to get out of X i use ctrl alt backspace then you would be able to run the nvidia installer.

I use Slackware my self and just like it when i was first trying linux it was the first one that i could get to run everything i wanted without to much messing around o i agree it is very user friendly compared with others.

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Old 08-01-2009, 07:08 AM   #32
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FreeBSD? Seriously? Does most stuff even work on that? I thought it was just for servers. I mean it's not even Linux. They make their own kernel, don't they? Does X and KDE and gcc and all the GNU stuff run on it? If I wrote a "hello world" program on Linux and compiled it, would the executable run on FreeBSD or would I have to compile a FreeBSD version?

And if the Linux binary ran on FreeBSD then how come it won't run on Windows? Windows isn't Linux but neither is FreeBSD.

And I think I heard some people straight up run Unix. So Unix runs on x86 PC's now?

If it does then why is Linux so popular? Why didn't FreeBSD or Unix catch on? Is Unix still closed source? Does somebody own it?
FreeBSD has been used for a lot of Apple's new Mac OS X operating system. Mac OS X Leopard is a registered UNIX product, conformant to the Single UNIX Specification standards. UNIX 03. They use the Mach microkernel and a lot of FreeBSD in it.
FreeBSD is under a few licenses, one of which is the GPL.
I don't know about the details of the compatibility of programs, exactly, but yeah, they work together ... I think you need to configure a bit, or something. I have a FreeBSD CD sitting here, but I haven't installed it.
Solaris is the same as Mac OS X Leopard as far as standards conformance, Single UNIX Specification, UNIX 03.
Part of the Single UNIX Specification is POSIX.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 07:40 AM   #33
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What do you mean, "hold may hand has moved as a virus throughout technology?"
Relative to technology most things are not as transparent as they used to be. Things like idiot lights instead of gauges, lower cost for a lamp/LED than a active meter movement. As related to an OS, 'GUI' has been used to sadly make things easier for the user. SO, when you don't have the visible means to see what the author is attempting to do on your system then things do happen in the wrong way.

I personally don't need someone attempting a task that is easily done via a 'cli'. Tweaking a system via a 'GUI' will likely get your system to level that may/will become unusable.

We are depending on technology to do a lot of things that a human did in the past. Sure, use hardware that will keep everyone out of harms way. But even that has it's caveat, the UAV is insulating people from harms way. What's going to keep us from just annihilating ourselves because our descendants don't see the harm or the result of the technology.

My grandson couldn't wait to show me his aircraft(S) in a game last night. Sure the it's just a game but to me it seems a conditioning of our children. Not really understanding the resultant of their actions when using weaponry.

I could continue with examples but I hope you get my meaning. The debs, RH or whatever are attempting to be so M$ that the user(s) are having the same nightmares. I'm not fishing for flames but when you let someone else do any kind of work for you then you are dependent on their skills.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 07:54 AM   #34
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I understand what you mean ... I just didn't understand the "hold may hand", what was meant ... I didn't understand as much until you explained it more, but I was just confused still by the wording.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 09:01 AM   #35
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I understand what you mean ... I just didn't understand the "hold may hand", what was meant ... I didn't understand as much until you explained it more, but I was just confused still by the wording.
What you see is what you get!

I come from academia and tend to get a little wordy. But I do try to be intrinsic and utilize wording that can be easily miss-understood but if you reference then the definitions will clarify.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 09:14 AM   #36
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Never mind, I understand now. "Hold my hand" has moved as a virus throughout technology. I don't know why I overlooked this.
I agree, but at least you have the choice of not having your hand held.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 09:31 AM   #37
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"hold may hand" might be easier understood as "hold my hand"
 
Old 08-01-2009, 08:50 PM   #38
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I guess what really bugs me is all the other distros boot up straight to gdm or kdm or something like that and you have to figure out how to exit X. I hate that. I liked having it boot up to the prompt and then having to figure out how to start X.

I think windows these days is inseparable from the GUI but that's windows. This is Linux. I don't want to have to figure out ctrl-alt-backspace to exit X I just want to pick exit. I don't like having to remove gdm when I run Debian. And I don't even know how to fix openSuse. I don't know what that booted to.

I hope Slackware never starts booting straight to a GUI out of the box. Sometimes I just want to play Nethack.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 08:58 PM   #39
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You should try GRML

Debian based and made for the console with alot of cool, and beutiful wm's too

and when you exit, it goes back to the Black

doesn't autostartx unless you want to

get the Full version

http://grml.org/
 
Old 08-01-2009, 09:37 PM   #40
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I don't want to have to figure out ctrl-alt-backspace to exit X I just want to pick exit. I don't like having to remove gdm when I run Debian. And I don't even know how to fix openSuse. I don't know what that booted to.
I use some Debian systems at the school where I work. You don't *need* to have gdm installed with Debian if you don't want it. Debian doesn't need to have gnome as the default. You can use the net install iso to install Debian and then don't choose desktop when tasksel runs, just choose a standard system. Then when your new Debian system boots up you'll be greated with a shell prompt. Later on if you want gnome and x windows you can easily install it at a root shell prompt with:

# aptitude install xorg gnome

Similarly if you want kde then:

# aptitude install xorg kde
 
Old 08-01-2009, 10:35 PM   #41
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Does everybody like the new KDE? I'm not sure if I hate it or if I just need to get used to it. Maybe I'll try fluxbox.

Last edited by icecubeflower; 08-01-2009 at 10:49 PM.
 
Old 08-02-2009, 06:55 AM   #42
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I don't mind the new KDE at all, other than it's awkward for me, but I'm not used to it, either. Fluxbox, I like ... I just use GNOME because I'm used to it and it's easy and it looks good.
 
Old 08-02-2009, 07:08 AM   #43
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Fluxbox huh

There'a a GRML remaster taht uses fluxbox too
http://hag-linux.eu.org/

it's current too
I apt-get'd flash, and some other apps too

and the fluxbox menu etc is nice and tricked out
 
  


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