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Old 05-02-2012, 02:24 AM   #76
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Actually there is a sshd inside the installer, it has been there for years. It's just not started by default.
See http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/remo...are-using-ssh/

Eric
Thanks Eric.
Now where do I hide my face in shame? :-)
 
Old 05-02-2012, 07:11 AM   #77
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Getting away from /xap for now to take a look at /d...

I would really like to see an updated guile. Did it myself, but it would be nice to have the package. I can wait...

I'm *delighted* that yasm has been promoted from /extra into the regular distribution. Great power in small packages, that's the ticket!

I'm a big fan of ocaml and I know a lot of folks who favor lua. Those are small enough and add extra flexability and speed.


But there is surely something to be said for being able to do a "full" install and have an amazingly capable system in less than 10Gigs.

If I want something else and AlienBOB doesn't already have a package available, and SlackBuilds doesn't have a build script for it, I can still put it together (with a little help) from the original sources -- that's how I updated guile.

Slackware makes it easy!

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... it has been there for years....

Eric
I'm finding an awful lot of that lately. I'll go off looking for a fancy package others are talking about in hopes of fixing missing functionality only to find the functionality was there all along, usually in a simpler and easier form. Duh!

So, in the side, I spend as much time as I can studying the PACKAGES and MANIFEST lists. I find something new and interesting every time I look!

Like the old soup commercial "It's in there!"
 
Old 05-02-2012, 09:42 AM   #78
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Actually there is a sshd inside the installer, it has been there for years. It's just not started by default.
See http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/remo...are-using-ssh/

Eric
this's cool~ thx.
Actually, I want to know how to install slackware to be only a server quickly.
I don't like some lib's packages of GUI.
I know I can use tagfile to customize it.
Are there any other ways to do this quickly and stupidly?

regards,
thx
 
Old 05-03-2012, 06:25 AM   #79
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this's cool~ thx.
Actually, I want to know how to install slackware to be only a server quickly.
I don't like some lib's packages of GUI.
I know I can use tagfile to customize it.
Are there any other ways to do this quickly and stupidly?

regards,
thx
slackode,
did You try to install only "a", "n", "d" and "app" series?
from there You could add all else locally from a /home/ftp/pub/ local copy?
once You have all running You could take the /var/log/packages/ directory listing and use it to tailor the install for other servers?
 
Old 05-03-2012, 07:09 AM   #80
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I think the goffice suite (gnumeric and abiword) (but libre office might be a better choice), mtpaint, geany would be nice to have in the default install.

There will be plenty of space for that, once KDE get's removed.. I'm sorry I meant WIPED from the default installation. I must admit that I never really liked kde, but kde3 was okayish. Though last week I tried kde4 after years in slack current, just to check it out, and I have no clue why it is the default WM in slackware. It is truly an utter piece of crap. Sorry for the rant.
 
Old 05-03-2012, 07:51 AM   #81
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slackode,
did You try to install only "a", "n", "d" and "app" series?
from there You could add all else locally from a /home/ftp/pub/ local copy?
once You have all running You could take the /var/log/packages/ directory listing and use it to tailor the install for other servers?
Thx.
I tried, but it seems that will cause some problems like not finding xx.xx.so, and need fix it manually...
So I install nearly all the packages to my servers.
I just think this can solve some problem but using more hd space and ram.
Could you give me some advices about the server packages's list?
 
Old 05-03-2012, 08:37 AM   #82
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Thx.
I tried, but it seems that will cause some problems like not finding xx.xx.so, and need fix it manually...
So I install nearly all the packages to my servers.
I just think this can solve some problem but using more hd space and ram.
Could you give me some advices about the server packages's list?
well each series is self contained, so to speak. install only "a" and You have the bare system with just terminal apps and no network
"n" adds all that is needed to participate in a LAN and access or be accessed from it

the "d" series enable a installation to furnish (make/configure/build) code not present as a package. The time I ran a 24/7 server I used make and .configure a lot. then You need "l" series (libraries shared among packages).

to find out each *.so You need to grep the MANIFEST in Slackware install media (be it DVD or local copy)

The point with Slackware is that no missed/failed dependency can't be recovered by hand.

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And no thinking beats trying when it comes to exploration of new packages
and sometimes the missing .so is actually present but wrong version (ever had a distro hang in between two stable versions?) and sometimes just making the missed symlink (ln -s * *) can bail You out
 
Old 05-03-2012, 10:40 AM   #83
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well each series is self contained, so to speak. install only "a" and You have the bare system with just terminal apps and no network
"n" adds all that is needed to participate in a LAN and access or be accessed from it

the "d" series enable a installation to furnish (make/configure/build) code not present as a package. The time I ran a 24/7 server I used make and .configure a lot. then You need "l" series (libraries shared among packages).

to find out each *.so You need to grep the MANIFEST in Slackware install media (be it DVD or local copy)

The point with Slackware is that no missed/failed dependency can't be recovered by hand.



and sometimes the missing .so is actually present but wrong version (ever had a distro hang in between two stable versions?) and sometimes just making the missed symlink (ln -s * *) can bail You out

Thank you very much for your help
 
Old 05-04-2012, 01:55 AM   #84
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@slackcode
You are welcome:
the other point with Slackware is that no one is left behind, right fellow slackers?

so back to topic:
I really had a hard time when I ran a Slackware server:
A web accessed graphically presented track of traffic helped me but I needed to build it my self and only one i managed to serve me was the rrdtool based, using Imagemagick, MRTG to create graphs that where served to a dedicated web server addressort.
Can rrdtool+mrtg be maintained as a package(s) within Slackware? If not, why?
Being a "default for server" Slackware as well could include a "out of the box" traffic graphing "suite"?

Best regards,
Stevan C.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:36 AM   #85
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Can we have FLTK 1.3 bundled and the brand new dillo-3.0.2 with ssl enabled in the next release? pretty please?
 
Old 05-15-2012, 09:42 AM   #86
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I'm quite happy indeed!

But I won't cry if:
p7zip
unrar
geany
lame
libdvdcss
libdvdnav
sbopkg
were included. But I can understand why some of them are not.

Even if I use them a lot:
OpenOffice
Skype
Adobe Reader
Audacity
VLC
GoogleEarth
Truecrypt
Digikam
Wine
Inkscape
etc.....they should of cause stay outside SW

I like the idea to have some progs in testing or extra for its obvious reason
 
Old 05-16-2012, 02:52 PM   #87
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There will be plenty of space for that, once KDE get's removed.. I'm sorry I meant WIPED from the default installation. I must admit that I never really liked kde, but kde3 was okayish. Though last week I tried kde4 after years in slack current, just to check it out, and I have no clue why it is the default WM in slackware. It is truly an utter piece of crap. Sorry for the rant.
Totally agree. Tried 4.8.2. Utter crap. At least moving all its dependencies out of /l will be much appreciated. Who needs akonadi strigi soprano virtuoso... in a system w/o KDE. I don't think XFCE will ever need this crap.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 04:03 AM   #88
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Hi people,
have one thing clear:
- KDE by it self is a mess, build wise
I for one would realy dislike to have to build it "outside of slackware's tree" the way they are building Gnome now.
Would KDE ever be ditched, it would be the end of me using it.

For this to happen:
We need a GTK filemanager that can do all mc does but in "GTKstyle"

I really like the way XFCE team blends features in and out on the GUI they make. I like the feel of XFCE but Thunar just falls a bit behind of my "max production" feeling:
a) split view
b) archive transparency (as mc has)
c) network/vfs transparency (as ^ mc has)
so it might be missing a plugin architecture where i t would act as a "mask" to actual programs doing it?

for a) there might be a WM option (to implement) to tile-fit the open windows in a manner (tile horizontally/vertically) as in that other WM of Microsoft we all love to hate , or any other You pick to imagine...
but transparently manipulating:
-tar
-7z
-ssh
-rsh
-samba
-nfs
-ftp
et cetera is "here" in XXI century a goal tightly in top10?

Best regards,
Stevan C.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 07:17 AM   #89
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for a) there might be a WM option (to implement) to tile-fit the open windows in a manner (tile horizontally/vertically) as in that other WM of Microsoft we all love to hate , or any other You pick to imagine...
You get that for free when you choose to run a tiling window manager.
 
Old 05-17-2012, 07:24 AM   #90
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KDE by it self is a mess, build wise
I wonder why you think that is true?

Eric
 
  


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