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Old 01-11-2011, 10:34 AM   #1
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Smile Current 20110111


Fresh install of current boots fine. X runs fine with KDE
Installed nouveau from extra it works as advertised.
So far no problems
Thanks to Pat and friends
john

Spoke too soon!
must power off to restart the system using nouveau
More an inconvenience than a problem

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Old 01-13-2011, 06:18 AM   #2
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I certainly am in favor of FOSS while also recognizing that at least for some interim, some proprietary seems necessary for the peace of mind of some manufacturers. What reason is there to run nouveau when it is so clearly yet inferior to the proprietary nvidia driver? I respect and admire what the nouveau guys are attempting but coming from OS/2 I also respect and choose to support nVidia who has so long supported alternative operating systems so admirably.

Right now ATi offers more bang for buck and IMHO there is no company's video card that does 2D rendering better than Matrox but I still buy nVidia and use their drivers because they have been there for me and us since like 1994. When newer card support ceased for OS/2 I paid for a SciTech driver, and sing their praises for making it free when IBM sold off to eCS. I still have and occasionally use a dedicated Warp box employing that driver (just to remind myself how bada$$ an OpSys written in Assembly is).

So why nouveau?
 
Old 01-13-2011, 06:38 AM   #3
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What reason is there to run nouveau when it is so clearly yet inferior to the proprietary nvidia driver?
There's many reasons to use nouveau when you think about it, it's just that at the moment performance and availability of features aren't two of it's strong points. Hopefully that will change as it matures.


The most visible advantage is that switching between X and the virtual consoles is slicker, not that many folks do much of that these days.

Another advantage is that nouveau will probably continue to support older cards long after nvidia have declared them legacy and stopped including them in new driver versions, but that's something that people don't give much thought to until it happens to them.

You also have the convenience of avoiding the need to manage out-of-tree kernel modules, though I have to say that the nvidia '.run' installer has always worked pretty well for me.
 
Old 01-13-2011, 07:34 AM   #4
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So why nouveau?
Sometimes the nvidia drivers are just plain buggy. I used to get constant lockups when I used them.

Adam
 
Old 01-13-2011, 07:43 AM   #5
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What reason is there to run nouveau when it is so clearly yet inferior to the proprietary nvidia driver? I respect and admire what the nouveau guys are attempting but coming from OS/2 I also respect and choose to support nVidia who has so long supported alternative operating systems so admirably. [...] I still buy nVidia and use their drivers because they have been there for me and us since like 1994. When newer card support ceased for OS/2 I paid for a SciTech driver, and sing their praises for making it free when IBM sold off to eCS. [...] So why nouveau?
You are apparently ignorant of nVidia's act of betrayal of the users of 71.86.xx drivers.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...4&postcount=55
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I understand your frustration, but please note that it was not my (or NVIDIA's) intention to mislead with my 11/04/08 post to this thread: at the time, we did have plans to back-port support for X.Org 1.5 to 71.86.xx.

However, the scope of the work (which my post predates) it took to update 96.43.xx turned out to be considerably greater than anticipated, and we can not currently justify the effort for 71.86.xx.

There is a small chance that we may add support in the future, but there currently are no plans to do so, as Aaron said.
(zander, NVIDIA Corporation, 07-06-09)

Context:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...=122436&page=4 and
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/show...=122436&page=5

You yourself, sir, have reportedly been caught once already in the OS/2 case, and now you're lining yourself up to be caught again on Linux, and by "choos[ing] to support nVidia" you are failing to close the feedback loop. nVidia most certainly has NOT "so long supported alternative operating systems so admirably" and most emphatically has NOT "been there for me and us since like 1994".

This is a 200ft flaming lesson in why all proprietary software is a liability and a time bomb. And *that*, sir, is "why nouveau".
 
Old 01-13-2011, 08:04 AM   #6
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why nouveau

give back to the community by taking some time to test new and updated software.
You might also say why current?
I always compile the bleeding edge kernel just for FUN.

Why nouveau? a silly question as far as I am concerned.

Thanks
john
 
Old 01-13-2011, 04:03 PM   #7
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Personally, I didn't spend 300 dollars on a graphics card to have it run any slower than it could. It'd be awesome if the open source driver could match the binary blob, but until that day I'm just thrilled Nvidia ships same day Linux drivers at all.
 
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Old 01-15-2011, 11:37 AM   #8
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With the default compositing effects turned on in KDE. I can not tell the difference between nouveau and the proprietary nvidia 260 driver.
Of course my onboard graphics Nvidia 6150LE did not cost $300 US

John
 
  


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