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That's simply ridicules. Every distro does exactly this. At least the major distributions address the shortcomings by developing their solutions and giving them back to the community. Slackware is the best example for making a living by "slapping together bash scripts that package other people's work". Could you point me to something developed at Slackware.
Cheers
Damn dude. I have controversial topics myself, but dang man... wow. That was just... man I'm short a vocabulary word for that one.
That is a perverse and disingenuous characterization of the Slackware GNU/Linux distribution, and an obvious slight and insult to its dedicated and generous BDFL, Patrick Volkerding.
I'm amazed that people are actually arguing that Slackware is anything other than a collection of other people's work. Every Linux distribution is. Slackware is a bunch of build scripts packaging other software. Brilliantly packaged at that That is what PV brings to Slackware, a wonderfully simple collection of choices that just work. Maybe a little behind the curve but that is by design.
Trying to disparage someone's work as nothing but some build scripts packaging other people's work isn't really a good argument when talking about Linux.
Not only that, but look at the scripting Patrick wrote, with others' help mind you, that make the whole machine chug right along. A distribution is a piece of art. Yes it's packages, but it's the packages that are selected to be the most stable, the care to get packages right, the scripting to make it all work in a delicate balance, and the choice of using the right dependencies between some packages to enable or disable flags as needed.
I was only looking at theorhetical distribution methodology with the topic, but... zoinks! Ivandi that was just beyond wrong on 10 out of 9 levels!!!
Does anyone know of a word or situation worse than blasphemy?
Slackware is the greatly respected current state of more then 20 years of uninterrupted vision, dedication and labor of one man of exceptional character.
Slackware is the ideal and the esteem in which the vision and work, continuity and constancy are held, and the name by which it is known.
The collection of code and scripts resulting from that vision and labor are only one component of that which is Slackware, and not really the most important.
I could have expected you would turn my words.
For Patrick, the question of adding PAM or not is not driven by a business need. For you, it is.
What would you do if half the people that support you are yelling that PAM is the devil and that they will abandon Slackware if PAM gets added... while the other half yells in your ear that unless you add PAM, they are going to abandon Slackware?
If you are in a similar position, and you care about both factions, you would probably stop fueling the fire either way and let events unfold themselves in due course.
As I told you, adding PAM support to Slackware is a trivial technical challenge, much less complex and less maintenance-prone than developing a MLED desktop-add-on for the computer illiterates of your area. Really.
Pat gave you the pam.SlackBuild years ago, and Vincent Batts did all the footwork of finding out what packages need to be recompiled, and with what options.
Now, I do respect your choices, even abandoning Slackware because picking CentOS is what you think is better on the long term for your business. I think it should not have been necessary, but then again it's your business and your income, not mine. But do not make it look as if Patrick Volkerding, or this community, have driven you away from the distro. So you sent an email and it did not get answered. Join the queue, OK?
I answered your email yesterday, about an hour and a half after you sent it. Check your inbox.
I see things slightly differently. After all, it is kikinovak who in the past called people imbeciles suggesting they get Darwin awards; has said
arguing with those who don't agree with him is like speaking about evolution with rednecks (a context in which the word redneck is clearly
derogatory); and most recently said those who oppose him are Taliban issuing fatwa. Are you serious?
And what makes him think he's entitled to disparage, insult, and ridicule? That he slapped together a few bash scripts that package other
people's work?
He's not defending them; he is part of them.
--mancha
PS One sad part of the story is that a legitimate issue (i.e. PAM in Slackware) has suffered. I, for example, am not against PAM and in fact
use it on many of my systems. But, when I see such disgusting behavior it not only makes me lose respect for the person, it makes me not
want to discuss the underlying technical issue any longer - at least for a while.
As I told you, adding PAM support to Slackware is a trivial technical challenge, much less complex and less maintenance-prone than developing a MLED desktop-add-on for the computer illiterates of your area. Really.
I'm going on a climbing trip today here in the mountains. The route is a 5C/6A, easy with a few minor difficulties. The sky is blue, the sun is shining, and we'll have a few hundred meters of South French landscape right below us, vertically.
Another trivial technical challenge, really. Slapping together a few lengths of rope, as mancha would put it.
We now have a number of members who have recently turned the forum into a babble of idiots, provoking others and drawing out the worst in the rest of us and in the end leaving the forum virtually worthless.
what well description of yourself, we need just to go back in this thread to have a sample how you turned something into lies, became aggressive and made condescending statements. In fact the last time you make a whole archive here in proving what a nice and competent guy you are. May I interpret you words so that you mean you are willing to change?
Maybe you (the generic "you") value your individual freedom of expression over what's good for your community but this, again, is going nowhere. I'm going to close this thread and have a good look at whom to give some extra TLC.
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That is what PV brings to Slackware, a wonderfully simple collection of choices that just work. Maybe a little behind the curve but that is by design.
