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Old 05-31-2018, 02:20 PM   #46
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Hmm not sure this is the thread for this. Maybe start another/mod split?
I thought this thread was appropriate since "Cheers for Slackware" depends heavily on the definition of "Slackware". My point expanded on that by posing the concept that there is now only minor differences between RedHat-based Distros and Debian-based Distros and almost all of that difference is in the package management and what repositories one frequents. I don't want to see Slackware become such "Scrapple" by losing what makes it unique.

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I think you posted in this topic for the wont of Slack and its userbase staying the same, but things do develop, even for a distro like Slack. I don't want to jump to too many conclusions because I'm not totally sure what you mean, but I think this could warrant discussion in another thead. Sounds interesting.
I actually don't have a problem with development. As much as I loved various releases/revisions of Slackware going back to v7, and even though I do have old boxen that still runs older versions (12.1 and 13.37) truth is they rarely see use anymore. However there are some fundamentals that, if changed or "developed" create a loss of identity and it should be obvious that as shown by the others, package management is a key area.

I started using Slackware after I polled an old (and now defunct) IRC Linux Channel and they guys I respected most almost to a man said essentially the same thing - "Slackware"..... Why? Well stuff just compiles right on it" and that is because of Slack's devotion to Vanilla and manual package management. I maintain that if that changes, no matter that it still may be called "Slackware", it is no longer actually what made it an unique and identifiable entity. It would be just another "snowflake", possibly different in some detail but details that matter not one whit.
 
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Old 05-31-2018, 03:18 PM   #47
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---snip--- I don't want to see Slackware become such "Scrapple" by losing what makes it unique.---snip---
To borrow from Curly of "The Three Stooges," "I resemble that remark." :P I grew up in Philadelphia, where scrapple is a delicacy and is unique. For those who have never heard of it, here is a link to the Wikipedia entry about scrapple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrapple

Scrapple is typically fried and eaten with scrambled eggs on an Italian roll (what the rest of the USA would call either a "torpedo roll" or a "sub roll"). A picture of the outside of a package of Habbersett scrapple is attached for your edification.

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Old 05-31-2018, 03:40 PM   #48
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Nice choice, however, you have to drink Budweiser for one week as a penance for posting from Debian.
And only a mildly cold one!
 
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Old 05-31-2018, 05:42 PM   #49
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Just FTR, JohnB316, the reason I typed "Scrapple" just like that, in quotation marks, is because scrapple has no clear identity... something of a potpourri of various loosely defined components with no fixed recipe. Some brands of scrapple may well be a delicacy to some but then there are people to whom filling pancakes with flies is a delicacy. Now maybe some fly-filled pancakes with certain kinds of flies, prepared in a certain way, with a special recipe dough are actually delicious but I might hesitate to try it and I certainly have no desire to depend on it daily.
 
Old 06-01-2018, 05:51 AM   #50
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I thought this thread was appropriate since "Cheers for Slackware" depends heavily on the definition of "Slackware". My point expanded on that by posing the concept that there is now only minor differences between RedHat-based Distros and Debian-based Distros and almost all of that difference is in the package management and what repositories one frequents. I don't want to see Slackware become such "Scrapple" by losing what makes it unique...

I started using Slackware after I polled an old (and now defunct) IRC Linux Channel and they guys I respected most almost to a man said essentially the same thing - "Slackware"..... Why? Well stuff just compiles right on it" and that is because of Slack's devotion to Vanilla and manual package management. I maintain that if that changes, no matter that it still may be called "Slackware", it is no longer actually what made it an unique and identifiable entity. It would be just another "snowflake", possibly different in some detail but details that matter not one whit.
In that case I see little danger of Slackware changing: the men at the helm seem quite intent on retaining its specific and unique ethic and operational approach. When systemd came to Debian, for instance, it polarised the community - I believe that Debian is not all it once was, even though it came late [as did I] to the systemd party, and that having so many devs involved actually contributed to the adoption and subsequent partial loss of identity. I think your initial point is well-made though: cheers for Slackware - not because it is an OS we all use, but why we use it, and our appreciation of what makes it what it is, its core ethos and raison d'Ítre. That's what we are toasting.

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Just FTR, JohnB316, the reason I typed "Scrapple" just like that, in quotation marks, is because scrapple has no clear identity... something of a potpourri of various loosely defined components with no fixed recipe. Some brands of scrapple may well be a delicacy to some but then there are people to whom filling pancakes with flies is a delicacy. Now maybe some fly-filled pancakes with certain kinds of flies, prepared in a certain way, with a special recipe dough are actually delicious but I might hesitate to try it and I certainly have no desire to depend on it daily.
Another equivalent metaphor would be minestrone soup - as far as I'm aware there's no fixed recipe, whatever is seasonal [or en vogue] is thrown into the pot. In that sense it may even be a better metaphor.

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Old 06-01-2018, 07:21 AM   #51
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Since we are posting beer pictures, I couldn't help but posting this picture of Linus Torvalds from 1995:
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:24 AM   #52
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Since we are posting beer pictures, I couldn't help but posting this picture of Linus Torvalds from 1995:
Anyone want to take a shot at IDing the beer? Maybe Tuborg Gold?
 
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:44 AM   #53
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What I can see of the label resembles Heineken
 
Old 06-01-2018, 09:05 AM   #54
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Anyone want to take a shot at IDing the beer? Maybe Tuborg Gold?
Yes, I would agree and say, Tuborg.
Heineken labels are usually green, like their bottles.
 
Old 06-01-2018, 12:15 PM   #55
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Yes, I would agree and say, Tuborg.
Heineken labels are usually green, like their bottles.
Looks like Tuborg. The store must have been out of Duvel. ;-)

As an aside, Heineken bottles in the Netherlands are brown, but for some reason many European brewers think that people in North America expect lagers to come in green bottles (and must also think that we like our beer skunked). A few brewers have come around on this point though - Pilsner Urquell switched to a brown bottle a few years ago. Before that they'd tried to combat the beer being light-struck by putting six packs of bottles in a box instead of the usual six-pack holder. Getting rid of the green bottle is the better solution, though.
 
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Old 06-01-2018, 12:21 PM   #56
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I've read somewhere that Heineken has stayed with the green bottles, at least what they export, for marketing reasons, i.e., Heineken has become associated with the color green. The reason given was at the of WWII they could only get green bottles and they stuck with it. I just remembered that Heineken has a large brewery in Thailand, one of the few places they brew their beer outside of Holland, and the bottles are green. It is almost as common in Thailand as Bud is in the U.S. and you don't have to speak Thai to order it. Just say, Hi-knee-ken.

BUT, you are right, brown bottles are better as they block about 95% of the light, where as green bottles only filtered about 5%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heineken

Johnson,
I didn't know they ever used brown bottle, and brown bottles are better than green, but I just stumbled upon this at the link above,

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In the end of February 2013, Heineken stopped producing the brown bottles used for the Dutch market in favor of the green color of bottles it already used for exports.[11]

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Old 06-01-2018, 01:25 PM   #57
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In that case I see little danger of Slackware changing: the men at the helm seem quite intent on retaining its specific and unique ethic and operational approach. When systemd came to Debian, for instance, it polarised the community - I believe that Debian is not all it once was, even though it came late [as did I] to the systemd party, and that having so many devs involved actually contributed to the adoption and subsequent partial loss of identity. I think your initial point is well-made though: cheers for Slackware - not because it is an OS we all use, but why we use it, and our appreciation of what makes it what it is, its core ethos and raison d'Ítre. That's what we are toasting.
Especially since there will apparently be included in the next release clear and simple means to choose pulseaudio or not my confidence in Patrick has not only not wavered but is ever stronger. My concerns are caused by the seemingly increasing numbers of posts here and elsewhere of people who seem to be caving in to more automation in package management, some who go so far as to have already become dependent on repositories which alter their arrangement sufficiently far from "Full Recommended Install" as to make understanding and assistance difficult if not impossible. It's just a user trend that bothers me some.

For the emboldened words above - BINGO! There is the proverbial crux of the biscuit.


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Another equivalent metaphor would be minestrone soup - as far as I'm aware there's no fixed recipe, whatever is seasonal [or en vogue] is thrown into the pot. In that sense it may even be a better metaphor.
Maybe... but in general I like minestrone soup and one look pretty much reveals what's in it. Scrapple, OTOH, being primarily ground meats, often with organ meats, is such an amalgam that is entirely unidentifiable like the all too common "Soylent Purple" bits. The analogy of food to distros furthers with the observation that "things that may initially taste good are not necessarily good for you".
 
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Since 1999, v7. Cheers!
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Old 06-05-2018, 09:27 PM   #59
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Anyone here use the Untappd app? Shoot me a friend request @volkerdi and we'll toast each other's libations.
I do! Friend request sent!
 
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Old 06-06-2018, 03:16 AM   #60
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I do! Friend request sent!
What's your name on there? You can add me @Lysander666
 
  


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