Call for Testers: Cinnamon SlackBuilds

willysr · 04-27-2014, 11:06 PM

Well, at least they are in .css which is easy to spot on
if those were hardcoded in .c or .cpp or any other source code, it would be harder to debug

01micko · 04-27-2014, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsman

Took me a long while to find solutions:

* Restore GTK3 scrollbar slider behavior to Page Up/Page Down
touch /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[Settings]
gtk-primary-button-warps-slider=0

* Fix GTK3 scrollbar slider width
/usr/share/themes/$THEME/gtk-3.0/gtk-widgets.css: default -GtkRange-slider-width: 19px

* Fix Cinnamon menu scrollbar width
/usr/share/themes/$THEME/cinnamon/cinnamon.css: StScrollView STScrollBar min-width: 19px

I place that into /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc. Easier for everybody all around.

So many developers seem to display ignorance toward older users. They focus on making everything as small as possible. Some kind of nutty philosophy about "maximizing screen real estate." Or, they develop on monitors that are as big as televisions and everything looks grand --- to them. They forget to test the same design on humble 19" monitors. Web developers and their obsession with small fonts make the same design mistake.

And of course there is no consideration of touch screen either.

By the way, I don't think "px" is necessary as the documentation for GtkRange requires a gint type.

I managed to override the settings without altering themes; it is recommended (sorry can't find link now but it was on stackoverflow) to make ~/.config/gtk-3.0/{gtk.css,gtk-mine.css} containing;

Code:

@import url("gtk-mine.css");

and

Code:

* {
	-GtkRange-slider-width: 18;
        /* other stuff can go here */
}

respectively.

That should work OK if themes are ever changed. EDIT: trouble is it's only per user, doesn't seem to work from /etc/gtk-3.0.

Woodsman · 04-28-2014, 03:08 PM

This is kind of thing pisses me off. No wonder many people shrug off Linux systems. Developers seldom work with non geeks. Watch any person with vision problems. The moment their necks start craning toward the monitor is a clue that the design is wrong. Those skinny sliders? Have any person with even a mild palsy test the desktop. Problems are revealed before the chair cushion is warm. Default mouse button double-click speeds? A person needs to move the finger faster than rabbits hump.

"Oh, just edit these text files...." Geeks roll over like pigs in mud thinking that is so cool. Normal people laugh and say "Bullshit."

A big problem with free/libre development is the developers receive feedback only from fellow geeks. They need to test with the other 6,999,999,998 people in this world.

Nobody involved here in this thread is responsible. Just saying this kind of thing is significantly common in free/libre software.

Oh well, now back to trying to figure out why a simple USB web cam does not work. And a printer. Some days Linux systems are indeed a joke.

kite · 05-03-2014, 07:22 AM

pptp vpn is not working under Cinnamon. It is working fine under XFCE. I do not know why.

willysr · 05-03-2014, 08:36 AM

can you try running them from terminal?

Woodsman · 05-03-2014, 05:26 PM

In Cinnamon, in the Nemo file manager, the default folder expanion widget is a triangle. In Mate the default folder expansion widget is the traditional + sign in a box. What is the GTK3 magical trick to change the triangle widgets to a + sign?

Woodsman · 05-03-2014, 05:48 PM

Previous in this thread I posted some work-arounds for the narrow sliders. Is there a GTK3 way to make those changes global, through the /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini file?

kite · 05-03-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by willysr

can you try running them from terminal?

This did the trick. Running from terminal, the keyring prompt appeared, and I could enter key. There was no keyring prompt before, I think this is the source. Thanks a lot.

willysr · 05-03-2014, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodsman

Previous in this thread I posted some work-arounds for the narrow sliders. Is there a GTK3 way to make those changes global, through the /etc/gtk-3.0/settings.ini file?

i'm not sure whether those kind of changes can be made through settings.ini

Woodsman · 05-03-2014, 10:33 PM

Quote:

i'm not sure whether those kind of changes can be made through settings.ini

So no GUI method and no global config method?

willysr · 05-03-2014, 10:50 PM

They do provide system settings. You can have a look on the Preferences or in the main menu window

jmdlcar · 06-05-2014, 04:22 PM

I use Porteus 3.0 and like to build a module but first remove the 003-mate.xzm and replace it with Cinnamon. Is there a order to install the packages to build cinnamon?

ponce · 06-05-2014, 05:08 PM

see willy's github repository: it contains a README and also a BUILD_ORDER file.