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Old 01-12-2020, 11:20 AM   #46
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I was in the military and can swear with the best/worst of them, but there is a time and a place, or, at least, there use to be a time and a place.
It is not called censorship, it is call standards. Societal Standards, or ethics or principles, ideals, morals, values. You know, the things that hold a society together.
All we have done over the last thirty years or so is drag their entire society down to the lowest common denominator. It is now OK, in some people's opinion, to act like prison trash. The F-word, and worst, is being used on TV shows and the more the deviant the behavior the better/worst, at least in the garbage being produced by Netflix.
I'm no prude. I've lived over 70s years and have travel extensively, but this language and behavior offends me greatly and it would offend most people in the many countries I've visited.
If this is the new "norm" than the great Amereican experiment is over. If things don't change for the better and soon, I don't give it another twenty years, if that, before the snowflakes either give it away or we have civil war. The tail has been wagging the dog for far too long.
Rant over.
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I share your sentiment.
 
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Old 01-12-2020, 12:39 PM   #47
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You can sum it up with just four words, Where Are The Adults?
 
Old 01-12-2020, 01:39 PM   #48
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The trouble with ivandi, evident in many other posts he sent to this forum, is the way he sneers at Slackware users whose programming, scripting and sysadmin skills come nowhere near his own.

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Old 01-12-2020, 03:03 PM   #49
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I was in the military and can swear with the best/worst of them, but there is a time and a place, or, at least, there use to be a time and a place.
It is not called censorship, it is call standards. Societal Standards, or ethics or principles, ideals, morals, values. You know, the things that hold a society together.
All we have done over the last thirty years or so is drag their entire society down to the lowest common denominator. It is now OK, in some people's opinion, to act like prison trash. The F-word, and worst, is being used on TV shows and the more the deviant the behavior the better/worst, at least in the garbage being produced by Netflix.
I'm no prude. I've lived over 70s years and have traveled extensively, but this language and behavior offends me greatly and it would offend most people in the many countries I've visited.
If this is the new "norm" then the great American experiment is over. If things don't change for the better and soon, I don't give it another twenty years, if that, before the snowflakes either give it away or we have civil war. The tail has been wagging the dog for far too long.
Rant over.
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Thank You for your service and honesty. There is hope though, the fake global warming will probably melt the snowflakes.
 
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Old 01-12-2020, 03:19 PM   #50
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I was in the military and can swear with the best/worst of them, but there is a time and a place, or, at least, there use to be a time and a place.
It is not called censorship, it is call standards. Societal Standards, or ethics or principles, ideals, morals, values. You know, the things that hold a society together.
All we have done over the last thirty years or so is drag their entire society down to the lowest common denominator. It is now OK, in some people's opinion, to act like prison trash. The F-word, and worst, is being used on TV shows and the more the deviant the behavior the better/worst, at least in the garbage being produced by Netflix.
I'm no prude. I've lived over 70s years and have traveled extensively, but this language and behavior offends me greatly and it would offend most people in the many countries I've visited.
If this is the new "norm" then the great American experiment is over. If things don't change for the better and soon, I don't give it another twenty years, if that, before the snowflakes either give it away or we have civil war. The tail has been wagging the dog for far too long.
Rant over.
Thank you for your service! I have the greatest respect for people that step up and fight for the rights that the rest of us take for granted.
 
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:11 PM   #51
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There is a difference between giving negative feedback from time to time and just popping in to post obnoxious things to rile everyone up...
And the ignore file is there to help anybody simply ignore the consistently obnoxious posters. I have found it useful at times.
 
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:44 PM   #52
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Originally Posted by cwizardone View Post
I was in the military and can swear with the best/worst of them, but there is a time and a place, or, at least, there use to be a time and a place.
It is not called censorship, it is call standards. Societal Standards, or ethics or principles, ideals, morals, values. You know, the things that hold a society together.
All we have done over the last thirty years or so is drag their entire society down to the lowest common denominator. It is now OK, in some people's opinion, to act like prison trash. The F-word, and worst, is being used on TV shows and the more the deviant the behavior the better/worst, at least in the garbage being produced by Netflix.
I'm no prude. I've lived over 70s years and have traveled extensively, but this language and behavior offends me greatly and it would offend most people in the many countries I've visited.
If this is the new "norm" then the great American experiment is over. If things don't change for the better and soon, I don't give it another twenty years, if that, before the snowflakes either give it away or we have civil war. The tail has been wagging the dog for far too long.
Rant over.
Hello cwizardone. It's quite important to me that you understand I'm not judging anyone for their POV on profanity. I don't think it makes a person any one way or another and that actually is part and parcel perhaps of why I don't understand the concept at all. I understand that profanity has long been viewed as intrinsically a measure of class, morality, principles, etc but I don't get that connection as anything but prejudice, and most of it ancient or very old prejudice biased by the very same things that cause people to denigrate anyone else who is "not on the team" who "can't be a man 'cuz he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me" so to speak.

How can a symbol be offensive if the thing itself that it describes is not? The F-word is so old we aren't even sure of it's derivation but one theory is based on the fact that for a time it was an acronym for a prosecuted legal offense designated as "Forbidden Use of Carnal Knowledge", which as a "thing itself" only carries negativity when it was openly admitted or revealed. "What? It's only wrong if one gets caught? If you know anything about such events and concepts as "Courtly Love" you know that people have been "carrying on" since there were people and the negativity is apparently "whose ox is gored" so to speak., or who gored whom, and if anyone else knows about it.

The upper classes hid it in flowery language but still did it and wrote gushing, heroic songs, stories, plays and poetry about it. So how exactly is it more ethical, moral, principled, etc. if it is merely hidden behind calling it something else? Sorry. No offense. I just don't get it.
 
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Old 01-12-2020, 04:45 PM   #53
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Thank You for your service and honesty. There is hope though, the fake global warming will probably melt the snowflakes.
Now THAT, the thing itself, not the label, is offensive

Note: - I actually think it is good to get embarrassed and offended from time to time. If viewed in a positive manner, it is motivation to question our "Sacred Cows".

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Old 01-12-2020, 04:49 PM   #54
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And the ignore file is there to help anybody simply ignore the consistently obnoxious posters. I have found it useful at times.
I suppose it may be instructive in light of my recent posts to note that in 17 years of being here on LQN I have placed exactly one person on "Ignore". Maybe my skin is exceptionally thick
 
Old 01-12-2020, 05:29 PM   #55
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I suppose it may be instructive in light of my recent posts to note that in 17 years of being here on LQN I have placed exactly one person on "Ignore". Maybe my skin is exceptionally thick
After too many years of having to put up with fools, I think my skin is a bit thinner than yours . More so for LQ since I come here for some escape and relaxation, and the adult conversations missing from the rest of the interweb.
 
Old 01-13-2020, 10:28 AM   #56
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Thanks for your service, and perspective, which I share.

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Old 01-13-2020, 11:06 AM   #57
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I was in the military and can swear with the best/worst of them, but there is a time and a place, or, at least, there use to be a time and a place.
It is not called censorship, it is call standards. Societal Standards, or ethics or principles, ideals, morals, values. You know, the things that hold a society together.
All we have done over the last thirty years or so is drag their entire society down to the lowest common denominator. It is now OK, in some people's opinion, to act like prison trash. The F-word, and worst, is being used on TV shows and the more the deviant the behavior the better/worst, at least in the garbage being produced by Netflix.
I'm no prude. I've lived over 70s years and have traveled extensively, but this language and behavior offends me greatly and it would offend most people in the many countries I've visited.
If this is the new "norm" then the great American experiment is over. If things don't change for the better and soon, I don't give it another twenty years, if that, before the snowflakes either give it away or we have civil war. The tail has been wagging the dog for far too long.
Rant over.
What utter nonsense.

According to you: killing people is totally okay and participation in killing is in fact something to be proud of, but expressing strong feelings with certain taboo words is the road to disaster and chaos! That's an astoundingly perverse worldview.

If anything is worthy of clutching pearls over, it's the glorification of militaries that's on display in this thread. It desensitizes us to the value of human life. We'd be better off without it. I realize that many of you may not be Christians, but I am, and Jesus said "love your enemy." Using violence against one's enemy is not compatible with that, and I pray daily for the repentance of the millions who are complicit in such violence.

Really, the "snowflake" stuff at the end is a bit rich coming from someone who goes full Chicken Little over strong language...

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Old 01-13-2020, 11:41 AM   #58
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Jet another thread about slackware 15 that looses it's topic
 
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Old 01-13-2020, 12:50 PM   #59
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Why do some people feel such a need to advertise their political views in technical threads? We have the general forum for that. Go there and start a thread on pacifism versus just war theory if you want.

I think all cwizardone meant when he (I assume this is a he) mentioned that he had been in the army was that he was not unfamiliar with the use of pungent language. We all know the phrase "to swear like a trooper".
 
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Why do some people feel such a need to advertise their political views in technical threads? We have the general forum for that. Go there and start a thread on pacifism versus just war theory if you want.

I think all cwizardone meant when he (I assume this is a he) mentioned that he had been in the army was that he was not unfamiliar with the use of pungent language. We all know the phrase "to swear like a trooper".
Plenty of others chimed in saying that his participation in the military was something they thought was a good thing. My contrary view on the same matter was no more political than theirs.

Which is to say, my statement was quite political, yes, but so was theirs.

Which, frankly, is fine. Technology is inherently political, as a brief perusal of IEEE's Annals of the History of Computing, or any of the vast array of literature being written in the field of Science and Technology Studies will make clear. We shouldn't shy away from that, or pretend that reality is something other than it is.
 
  


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