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Old 12-09-2017, 05:35 PM   #151
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Then in the final, that code was not useful for your friend?
Absolutely NOT.
 
Old 12-09-2017, 05:36 PM   #152
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Thanks, Darth.
And now for any Klingons reading this thread:
neH jatlh, laD, 'ej English Hol vIyaj.
 
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:40 PM   #153
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Nice, Brian! And its sense in English?
 
Old 12-09-2017, 05:44 PM   #154
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It's the same as I had google translate into Romanian:
I only speak, read, and understand English.
 
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:55 PM   #155
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Thanks, Darth.
And now for any Klingons reading this thread:
neH jatlh, laD, 'ej English Hol vIyaj.
My kids says that correct is
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'Eng'liS neH jatlh, laD, 'ej Hol vIyaj.

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Old 12-09-2017, 05:57 PM   #156
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Ha? Your kids speak Klingon?
 
Old 12-09-2017, 05:58 PM   #157
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Use HIM, please never call a person IT in English, my friend.

It is a great insult, because IT is reserved for objects or slaves.
Haha... this really depends on who you talk to. There's a vocal few (very vocal online) who don't like people to assume their pronouns, because they don't identify as what people perceive them as.

I do wish the English language had better gender neutral pronouns. It's difficult online to pick the right one based on someone's username. You can sometimes get away with "they/them", but that typically indicates plurality, not a single person.
 
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Old 12-09-2017, 05:59 PM   #158
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Ha? Your kids speak Klingon?
A bit. They are both Trekkie and even participate at a ST club at school.

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Old 12-09-2017, 06:05 PM   #159
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Haha... this really depends on who you talk to. There's a vocal few (very vocal online) who don't like people to assume their pronouns, because they don't identify as what people perceive them as.

I do wish the English language had better gender neutral pronouns. It's difficult online to pick the right one based on someone's username. You can sometimes get away with "they/them", but that typically indicates plurality, not a single person.
BUT, you guys invented in the last time some gender neutral pronouns. How they sound? I talk about pronouns.

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Old 12-09-2017, 06:09 PM   #160
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You talk about 'ze' ? This is the neutral gender.
 
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No, I do not heard about `ze`, but thanks for the correct expression, about "gender neutral" pronouns I wanted to ask.
 
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Haha... this really depends on who you talk to. There's a vocal few (very vocal online) who don't like people to assume their pronouns, because they don't identify as what people perceive them as.

I do wish the English language had better gender neutral pronouns. It's difficult online to pick the right one based on someone's username. You can sometimes get away with "they/them", but that typically indicates plurality, not a single person.
Indeed. Personally, I would refer to a person by their name, then use the "they/them" thereafter. Reserving "it" only for third person such as "It speaks!". For example:
I agree with bassmadrigal when they state that some people don't like when their gender is assumed. If I were to meet bassmadrigal I may assume what their gender was but would apologise immediately should they take offence.
As it is, "they/them" is probably more appropriate on the internet than real life anyhow as usernames here, for example, could belong to more than one person of any gender identification -- perhaps there are even animals or robots?
 
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Old 12-09-2017, 06:21 PM   #163
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Interesting. Thanks!

I think that under this aspect, the Latin based languages stay much better. For example, in Romanian you can describe well a person according with his rank, role or profession.

In our case is "utilizatorul" (the user), which has an implicit gender, as almost anything has a gender.

In this case the gender is male, so is perfectly valid and grammatically correct to refer to an user (utilizator) with the male gender pronouns, if you consider his role (user/utilizator).

In my opinion, the English issue is that it make a clear distinction between person gender (he/she) and thing (it). In a Latin-based language, this is not. In fact, hardly exists the concept of "thing".

For example, "the thing" (lucrul) is considered gender neutral, just because it changes its gender depending of conjugation.

un lucru (M), doua lucruri (F)

aka

one thing, two things

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Old 12-09-2017, 06:48 PM   #164
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Same like in Latin-based languages, is also in Russian. Hardly exists the concept of "thing".
 
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Interesting. Thanks!

I think that under this aspect, the Latin based languages stay much better. For example, in Romanian you can describe well a person according with his rank, role or profession.

In our case is "utilizatorul" (the user), which has an implicit gender, as almost anything has a gender.

In this case the gender is male, so is perfectly valid and grammatically correct to refer to an user (utilizator) with the male gender pronouns, if you consider his role (user/utilizator).

In my opinion, the English issue is that it make a clear distinction between person gender (he/she) and thing (it). In a Latin-based language, this is not. In fact, hardly exists the concept of "thing".

For example, "the thing" (lucrul) is considered gender neutral, just because it changes its gender depending of conjugation.

un lucru (M), doua lucruri (F)

aka

one thing, two things
I am not sure I understand. Is this similar to how a noun can be of a gender but that gender does not reflect the sex of that thing should that thing be an animal? Sorry, I mean that "le cheval, il court" tells one nothing about the sex of the horse, simply that the noun is masculine?
I am sorry to keep on off topic but I find this fascinating. I have no objection to words like "ze" coming into use but as my example above my intention is to be clear about to whom I am referring and "they/them" does tend to work and makes no assumptions (as far as I know "they/them" is not technically accepted but so widely used and understood that I take it as de-facto).
 
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