About auto-forking the Slackware into Jurassic Linux for its beloved 90 old supporters and keeping going for rest of us...
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"Ask that French Big Mouth about what happened with it, not me!"
Thanks, but no. I expect a minimum of social skills of the people I interact with, and my curiosity for sneak previews of closed source projects is next to nonexistent.
Darth, if you're going to create your own spinoff of Slackware that is PAMinized, Kerberosized, systemdized, pasturized, homogenized, and baked to a nice golden brown... Now would be a good time to start.
I see a bunch of guys, who have earned their moneys in an active job, before retirement, as hunting mammoths somewhere around Ice Age, that they make the Law there.
Out of respect, I understand their opinions, being habituated, at maximum, with Julius Caesar speaks, that they are against to any "improvement" which any other distribution still sports since French Revolution.
That's why, I propose for The Powers That Be, to fork the Slackware into Granpa's Linuz, offering all they want, even no UDEV and kernel 1.6.3, and for rest of us, still kicking alive, to keep going as Slackware for Non Granpas.
Who are "The Powers That Be"?
As for forking slackware, it's been done over and over again. Where do you think all the other distributions came from?
Of course I'm talking about a "global trend" and a general "ambiance". They are (fortunately) some exceptions and some companies don't fall in this bias. But the fact is: market is flooded by low level people, and 'clients' (some CEO, managers etc) are totally unable to sort the good from the bad.
It's been about 10 years that I see this trend 'exploding' around me, it coincide with the mass access to internet and the mind washing of the mainstream media that the "new generation inherently is good with technology and the elder can't understand it". So some people having just a facebook account genuinely believe that they masterize technology better than an old programmer avoiding the social networks for "philosophical and ethical reasons".
This is endemic everywhere, not just in IT jobs. Mass access to quick/superficial information on the internet seems to have been a catalyst, but my own observation is that many jobs in tech industries (and elsewhere) have been taken over by Dunning-Kruger casualties. There's a tendency to see those with genuine knowledge as a threat, to be shouted down and marginalised.
My starting salary in 1995 as a software engineer would have fit that.
Apart from the fact that market rates and costs of living vary from place to place (pointed out in several replies already), Darth Vader said "coders". Not "software engineers".
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Originally Posted by dugan
Apart from the fact that market rates and costs of living vary from place to place (pointed out in several replies already), Darth Vader said "coders". Not "software engineers".
"Engineer" status exists (I think) only in North America (With the ring and all the "sectarism"). In france you're an engineer if you work as an engineer, no need to be part of any "university brotherhood"... It's sad to say, but on this point and this point only France at least reward the kind of work and not a "title"... I use "sad" because it's the only point where "result matter"... In general, US/Canada rewards more result than title, BUT on this point.
Just to say, in France (and maybe some other European countries), coder <=> software engineer, it doesn't matter.
In france you're an engineer if you work as an engineer, no need to be part of any "university brotherhood"... It's sad to say, but on this point and this point only France at least reward the kind of work and not a "title"...
And but in SMEs, if you you aren't an "ingénieur diplomé" and regardless of your skills, the chances that you access to the "statut cadre" (a French specialty) are slim, the probability that you become an executive manager very close to zero.
Last edited by Didier Spaier; 02-03-2016 at 09:42 AM.
And but in SMEs, if you you aren't an "ingnieur diplom" and regardless of your skills, the chances that you access to the "statut cadre" (a French specialty) are slim, the probability that you become an executive manager very close to zero.
Alright, I'm lacking of administrative knowledge .
But that's good to know.
Edit: in fact not really: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ing%C3%A9nieur#En_France
Your links are about "having the title" (studies)... But to do the job you don't have to have the "title"... Which is quite different in Canada for what I know...
Last edited by NoStressHQ; 02-03-2016 at 11:38 AM.
This is endemic everywhere, not just in IT jobs. Mass access to quick/superficial information on the internet seems to have been a catalyst, but my own observation is that many jobs in tech industries (and elsewhere) have been taken over by Dunning-Kruger casualties. There's a tendency to see those with genuine knowledge as a threat, to be shouted down and marginalised.
I'm facing an increasing number of requests for Linux Administration courses that fit in two or three afternoons. Companies send me their wishlist, including items like shell programming, firewalls, web servers, mail servers, Samba, Squid, etc. and expect me to put together a two-to-three-afternoons course for beginners. So I added an information on my website stating that Linux Administration courses also exist in pill form: you just swallow one pill in the evening, and the next morning you wake up and you're an expert in Linux Administration.
... Linux Administration courses also exist in pill form: you just swallow one pill in the evening, and the next morning you wake up and you're an expert in Linux Administration.
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