A Review of Slackware 13.
While I don't agree with everything said, overall, I thought it a a fair and well balanced review:
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?is...091005#feature |
Yeah, not a bad review, especially from the perspective of someone more used to distros that do a lot more hand-holding and auto-configuration...
I've found that the usability="it just works" bit is ok when it works, but when it doesn't- such as with some older or quirky hardware(very old, or very new laptops, especially)- it's a lot easier to get Slackware working than it is with some distros which rely on auto-configuration and graphical config tools... my opinion, anyway. |
Not fair my friend... Slackware is way more than desktop, and it have a nice set of the best out there.
But there is hope: ..."During my first three weeks running Slackware 13.0 I have yet to find significant bugs"... And 'out of the box' =] Thank you Mr. Volkerding, for Slackware still being Slackware. |
This was also noticed in a.o.l.s. Some remarks:
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*** Other than that main persistent sticking point of her wanting rpm and drakconf or whatever, yeah, a reasonable and fair article. You definitely should want to use $SHELL, $EDITOR, and read the manuals and it helps if you like to script. But, yeah, you can do a default install straight into 'startx' and seeing a shiny KDE and be as GUI as you want. And, if you want fast, stable, simple, etc., then it's hard to beat. |
Oh, it's Caitlyn Martin again.
But yes, it's a very through and well thought-out review. |
There's always gonna be different strokes for different folks.
I personally hope Pat never changes the Slack philosophy as it's the one and only distro I've ever ran that has been trouble free for me once it's been set up and set up to my liking. I agree with the author that there are many, many distro's out there that not only hold ones hand, they almost change one's diapers also; however,, show me one that remains trouble free for the length of time a typical Slack install does. |
I thought it was fair except for two points:
1) The reviewer repeatedly referenced the words "ease of use" in the Slackware mission statement. However, I believe that she is imposing an out-of-context and incorrect understanding of this phrase. It does not mean "easy for any dumbass who's only touched windows to use." It means "will not automatically edit my configuration files, start loading modules I don't want it to, or assume that it knows better than I do." It is ease of use for competent Linux users . . . after all, it is a Linux distribution. People who just want "easy" should stick to MS or Apple; that or Ubuntu and its out-of-box "it just works! . . . but it's really, really slow" performance. (To avoid the flames . . . yes . . .Ubuntu can be optimized to be just as fast as anything else . . . Out of the box it runs like a fat, wounded hog.) Linux is, by definition, "UNIX-like." If editing text files to configure things or using a command-line interface is too "hard" for you, then you really have no business using anything "UNIX-like." Has anybody else here seen a UNIX system? Using one involves editing text files and using a CLI. 2) The reviewer seems very upset about there being no automated dependency checking in pkgtools . . . this is by design. It's part of the "ease of use" that she claims is not there. Slackers use packages for some stuff, but we are not babies who need rice cereal all the time. If there is not a package available, we will build from source, or decompress a .deb or .rpm package and gank the binaries, putting them where we want them. Automatic dependency checking is only desirable if you only use your package manager to install software, or if you are so inexperienced that you cannot go out and get a library for yourself. If this is the case and you do not even want to learn how to do these things on your own, you are not and will not become a competent Linux user and Slackware is not for you. |
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It's kind of a weird catch 22, you have to be experienced in Slackware before you can realize why it's easier than other distros. At least that's how I feel. I tried Ubuntu for the first time maybe a year ago just to see it, It was pain wadding through all the gui BS, I ran it for like a day.
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Argh... Caitlyn. I stopped reading her writings long time ago. Not just because she knows very well how to ruin decent article with few ridiculous facts, but also because of her attitude towards her readers who disagree with something she wrote. This time, again, I'll skip it. |
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However I appreciate people writing about their experience installing/using one Linux distribution especially when they define their expectations (mostly having a functional home desktop) and describe concretely what they liked and what they didn't like (comments like "it rocks" or "it's bloated" don't bring much insight into the distribution). I think that you can only get a good idea of what a distribution looks like when you take all reviews collectively into account (of course apart from actually testing it yourself). You can outline some general topics. I've read many Slackware reviews since mid-2005 (some balanced, some unbalanced) and the following points about Slackware are always highlighted: - Installation requires some prelimanary manual steps (i.e. partitioning) and is not GUI-based - Package management has no dependency checking - Setting up a functional desktop requires a lot of file editing - You are the system administrator and can tailor the system to your own needs. - Once the system is set up to your liking, it just runs without any hindrance. - The official package list is limited however community-provided packages are available (mostly SlackBuild scripts that require you to build the package). For me, these points (it's probably an incomplete list) are characteristics of Slackware and it just happens that I'm fine with them but I fully understand that someone else would feel unconfortable about them and would prefer another Linux distribution that would guide him/her more during the installation and for adding/removing applications (i.e package management). So it's all about choice or, would I say, informed choice. |
Oh, Caitlyn
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I find this one nearly ideal for what can be done after visiting the Slackware site and using the distribution for a while. In order to improve it, she had to broaden the scope and, say, research how Slackware users comment in forums and blogs, possibly on Linux Questions as well. As far as I know, Caitlyn currently writes for money and any deep research may be not an option. Deadlines and the target audience ("is there a better Ubuntu than Ubuntu?") come to mind first. Thus, I guess the review reflects the current PR level of Slackware. If Patrick finds it adequate then it is adequate beyond any doubt; otherwise, things like "Slackware Linux is a complete 32-bit multitasking "UNIX-like" system" must be updated ASAP and adding a "How to review" section never hurts. |
Notice how in the beginning of the article she quotes fellow reviewer Chris Smart:
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Well, the very things she complains about are simply not part of what Slackware "is expected to do - as claimed by the creators" [of Slackware]. She clearly is not following her own review philosophy here. She did articulate some of the advantages of using Slackware though. What she fails to realise is that the very things she complains about are part of the advantages of using Slackware. |
I noticed that too tommcd. :)
I get the feeling that she just said that as a lead-in to justify her attack on the 'easy to use' bit she'd latched onto from the Slackware description from the website. Fair enough, that bit of the website could do with a rewrite to more clearly reflect what Slackware is about in relation to modern expectations. Like it or not, the modern expectation is for a linux distro to be just like Ubuntu, including dependency management and all those other things Slackware turns away from (for all the reasons that most of us, mostly agree with). She's still missing the point somewhat with Slackware, but to be fair I don't think it's an easy point to grasp. Daedra put it quite well above; Quote:
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