LinuxQuestions.org
Latest LQ Deal: Latest LQ Deals
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Distributions > Slackware
User Name
Password
Slackware This Forum is for the discussion of Slackware Linux.

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 08-15-2004, 08:51 PM   #1
Nichole_knc
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Georgia
Distribution: SlackWare 10.1+, FreeBSD 4.4-5.2, Amiga 1.3,2.1,3.1, Windors XP Pro (makes a fair answering machine)
Posts: 287

Rep: Reputation: 30
A rant about kernels and alsa, yes a sound issue


I don't understand why with such an advanced system as linux at when you make simple changes to a kernel that has nothing to do with sound something else breaks (alsa). Dozens of time here at this forum the question always arises about kernel bulids and broke sound. I have built many 2.4 level kernels and had to re-install or rebuild alsa to that kernel even if I did not "EXTRAVERSION" it.

Now once again I have reached such a point and I cannot get alsa to load no matter what. I have tried all past tricks and alsa refuses to work even after uninstalling it and reinstalling it several time it will not work. I have compiled both the 1.0.5a and 1.0.6 versions to the kernel and still they refuse to work stating they are built for the previous kernel even though the build output clearly shows the current running kernel.
Yes the kernel is configured correctly for alsa...
It is very stupid to have to rebuild half the system for such simple changes. I cannot even force the snd mods in...
 
Old 08-15-2004, 09:34 PM   #2
320mb
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2002
Location: pikes peak
Distribution: Slackware, LFS
Posts: 2,577

Rep: Reputation: 48
I agree with you ALSA sucks! and just try getting it to work with the
2.6x kernel is even more of a joke............the "linux community" has decided
for some stupid reason to get rid of OSS sound system............
oh well, I don't have ALSA installed at all and use the emu10k1 driver from
sourceforge for my SB live card...........and when I re-compile a kernel my sound always works afterwords! ---------
 
Old 08-16-2004, 12:52 AM   #3
waever
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Hamilton,ON
Distribution: LFS
Posts: 46

Rep: Reputation: 16
Alsa works perfect for me... installation is easy...
in recent 2.6.x kernel, alsa is integrated in the kernel, so you don't have to mess with reinstalling the driver.
In 2.4.x kernel, you have to reinstall every modules everytime you recompile the kernel. Probably you have not reinstall alsa drivers when you change the config.
try running depmod, if doesn't work reinstall alsa.
 
Old 08-16-2004, 05:25 AM   #4
Nichole_knc
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Georgia
Distribution: SlackWare 10.1+, FreeBSD 4.4-5.2, Amiga 1.3,2.1,3.1, Windors XP Pro (makes a fair answering machine)
Posts: 287

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 30
Well if you read mypost closly I have un/re installed it several times. I have even slowed my box down to its native 450mhz (which is ok installing PIII later after ANOTHER kernel build). Over night a did yet another compile of alsa. Now I will removw ALL traces of it from the system BY hand and reinstall it from the built sources....
 
Old 08-16-2004, 09:42 AM   #5
fskmh
Member
 
Registered: Jun 2002
Location: South Africa
Distribution: Custom slackware64-current
Posts: 290

Rep: Reputation: 85
The reason for using ALSA and abandoning OSS is that ALSA supports more cards. It has always worked without too many problems for me. The issue with breaking sound when recompiling 2.4 simply has to do with people forgetting to reinstall the ALSA modules. The only issues I've had with ALSA in 2.6 have been related to udev, but I am still getting used to that so kludges are the order of the day.
 
Old 08-16-2004, 09:53 AM   #6
Cedrik
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jul 2004
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 2,140

Rep: Reputation: 243Reputation: 243Reputation: 243
When I compile a new kernel, often I have problem with sound but I just fix it by rm /etc/asound.state and run alsaconf etc.. after that, I use a 2.6.7 kernel tough.
 
Old 08-16-2004, 08:32 PM   #7
Nichole_knc
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Georgia
Distribution: SlackWare 10.1+, FreeBSD 4.4-5.2, Amiga 1.3,2.1,3.1, Windors XP Pro (makes a fair answering machine)
Posts: 287

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 30
Well it is NOT always as simple as "just reinstalling"
If you have read my post and dozens of others about this problem way back you will see that I did just that.

I do now however have alsa working 99.9% but it required a lot more than "reinstalling". Currently I have premission issues...

What it did take was a "virgin" alsa-*-1.0.5a set of sources that Had to be built to my kernel. My source set I had had I guess been built out of wack... I get a fresh set of sources (cvs) and went from there. Currently only RealPlayer 8 and 10 are broken "device busy" everthing else works.
You should never assume "just reinstalling" it will fix it.. This ain't windors...
 
Old 08-16-2004, 08:36 PM   #8
WMD
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Florida
Distribution: Slackware, Debian
Posts: 484

Rep: Reputation: 30
I rebuilt my kernel recently, and a simple rebuild of ALSA had it working. (Went from stock 2.4.26 kernel to custom 2.4.27.)
 
Old 09-07-2004, 07:22 PM   #9
thom
Member
 
Registered: Feb 2002
Location: Washington DC
Distribution: SuSE 9.1/Slackware 10
Posts: 193

Rep: Reputation: 30
I'm not sure, but will alsa work with Realplayer or am I wasting my time trying to get realplayer to work?
 
Old 09-07-2004, 08:03 PM   #10
Nichole_knc
Member
 
Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Georgia
Distribution: SlackWare 10.1+, FreeBSD 4.4-5.2, Amiga 1.3,2.1,3.1, Windors XP Pro (makes a fair answering machine)
Posts: 287

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 30
The all new RealPlayer 10 based on the Helix player works just fine...
 
Old 09-07-2004, 08:59 PM   #11
lupin_the_3rd
Member
 
Registered: Oct 2003
Location: Memphis, TN
Distribution: Slackware current
Posts: 485

Rep: Reputation: 30
Never had a problem with alsa here... and "windors" or not... reinstalling the driver always "fixed" any problem I ever had... the problems with alsa I have noticed the most are actually more related to udev and hotplug than alsa itself... or building alsa into the kernel rather than as modules... as for permissions problem... adding myself to the audio and video groups always takes care of permissions for me. My 2 cents not that anyone asked
 
Old 09-07-2004, 09:59 PM   #12
Lord Zoltar
Member
 
Registered: Jun 2004
Distribution: Slackware
Posts: 200

Rep: Reputation: 30
ALSA.... ugh. yeah I once had major trouble with it, with Slackware 9.1
I fixed it by using OSS, I think! I'd point you to the thread if you want, because there were many suggestions to help fix it. none of them really worked of course. Then I reformatted and did a nice clean install of slackware 10.0 (yes it was necessary, I'd messed up too much stuff, and it was quicker/easier to back up a very small home directory and reisntall), and have not had much trouble with it. not trouble free but not as much as before. The main issue was getting the sound levels right, and saving the settigns with `alsactl store` so they wouldn't revert at reboot.
 
Old 09-07-2004, 10:16 PM   #13
shilo
Senior Member
 
Registered: Nov 2002
Location: Stockton, CA
Distribution: Slackware 11 - kernel 2.6.19.1 - Dropline Gnome 2.16.2
Posts: 1,132

Rep: Reputation: 50
Nichole_knc-

ALSA may be horrible in the 2.4 series, but it as easy as nothing in the 2.6 kernels. Just compile it in and it never breaks. At least there is some consolation in that. One day, 2.6 will be considered stable enough to move to that. Then, you can kiss your ALSA problems goodbye.

Quote:
The all new RealPlayer 10 based on the Helix player works just fine...
That's funny. I thuoght that one was based on the Helix player. I installed it with the binary from Real and it runs like junk on my system. Seems like watching a flip book instead of streaming video. The binary was nice enough to change my default MP3 icons into Real icons, though.

***EDIT**

Probably worded my response wrong. I compile ALSA as modules and leave out OSS. Sorry.

Last edited by shilo; 09-07-2004 at 11:28 PM.
 
  


Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Alsa sound *jumpy*: alsa-space: xrun of at least 11.449 msecs. resetting stream qwijibow Linux - General 6 04-22-2006 07:35 PM
trouble compiling alsa drivers on slackware 10.1, kernels 2.6.11.8 and 2.6.12.5 salviadud Linux - Software 3 08-17-2005 05:25 PM
rant, rant, rant (dselect) fenderman11111 Debian 2 07-06-2004 06:03 PM
Sound problems with 2.6 and 2.4 kernels justin_p Fedora 2 03-17-2004 02:45 PM
sound in 2.4 kernels e1000 Linux - General 5 01-06-2004 04:55 PM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Distributions > Slackware

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:50 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration