I guess you noticed that I installed in the hard drive the operation system.

Looks like Eric made minimal changes to packages. In fact, he removed some INTL and corresponding docs, the ones beyond his supported list.

So, I think that adding slackpkg, the installed variant of that XFCE Live could be updated as usual. With the risk of adding back the INTL and the additional docs, then the system becoming a bit bigger.

Of course we assume that there will not appear addition dependency requirements.

Darth I have plenty of storage space so I'm not worried. If storage space is an issue then its time to buy new hardware or use Slacko. My relationship with KDE 4 has deteriorated recently so I'm wondering if the grass is greener where Plasma 5 is pooping: https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ng-4175614637/

I do not chase Plasma 5. Literally I do not want to use it, but KDE4, which is OK for my needs.

About "small disk usage experience" sense, it is simple: WHAT IF you cannot upgrade your hard drive, which is literally soldered in motherboard, and it have 4, 8 or 16GB?

There are tons of Asus EeePC sold (ironically!) as Linux Netbooks with "hard drive" as mentioned.

Also, there are the Chinese netbooks, cheap devices, but more like those with Android, just that they use an x86 CPU.

And not a least, see the attached screenshots. There are CF-CARD to SATA adapters, and one can use very cheap CF-CARDs as hard-drives. The fun is that they are removable. Imagine that you can change the "hard drive" (then the operating systems) just like the games in a game station.

And to note that those little craps gives you up to 150MB/s, just like a honorable hard drive, only that they are considerable smaller.

If you want only a net-surfing PC, what sense is to build a Ryzen with 16 cores?

I seen multiple times small HTPCs or desktop PCs who are built around a motherboard with (notebook) CPUs soldered on board, like AMD E-350, using those CF-CARDs as hard-drive and some memory...

BTW, I heard that they consume about 25-30W at full load.

And 4, 8 or 16GB is more than enough for installing a shiny Ubuntu. And they do it.

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Nope. I have no issue with the space. For example, this is what I have just in one of my computers:

1TB Western Digital
1TB Western Digital
2TB Western Digital
500GB Seagate

Of course everything being SATA and the WDs are Black Edition.

BUT, not all people are like me. See my previous post, where I explained how there are a lot of people who use 4-16GB on relative modern computers.

Talking about KDE4 is simple: I like KDE4 and I do not like Plasma 5. Just how I like Windows 7 and I do not like Windows 8 and newer ones. I guess you figure out WHY.

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Good Lord Darth, what if all you have is a 233MHz Pentium with 16MB of RAM and a 120MB hard drive? WHAT THEN?

There comes a time when weak/old equipment can't run the latest version of any OS, but I think we tend to keep old hardware supported for longer than a lot of OSs do.

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Darth, isn't what you are attempting/proclaiming the purpose of Slackware derivatives like SalixOS? If this is what you want, why not install that or join the Salix dev team etc... Slackware is an install full distro by design. Seems like you are making things rather difficult...just because.

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I think people with 4 to 16 GB of hard drive space would be better off with Slacko. Its based on Slackware.

Aww you are missing out on the fun with Windows 10 update and no Directx 12 for you! I dread Windows updates. The last time I did it Edge browser repeatedly froze. People come on here and complain about Slackware install. They've never had to use Windows 10 command prompt to fix a UEFI install that Windows broke. One time it killed bios somehow and it was stuck in POST.

You just made his day...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzs-OvfG8tE

Well, if the consider something like Asus Eee PC X101 as some 233 MHz Pentium era...

https://www.asus.com/Laptops/Eee_PC_...pecifications/

Oh, and BTW, they sell it right now, as brand new: https://edigital.hu/notebook/asus-ee...ndszer-p180968

If you wonder what is 49 900 Ft, that price is around $189 ...

BUT, I see netbooks, in that style (very small "hard drive"), a lot sold in Europe.

Why not the Eric's XFCE Live? It just lack an installer (which Eric already have)

It is something like what offer Ubuntu in its live/install.

I make the things difficult just because I showed how to install a XFCE Live with the size of a CD, made by Eric Hameleers?

Like you see, Eric himself know how to chose the packages needed for XFCE. Only by XFCE and some nice goodies.

And Eric, NOT ME, demonstrated that you can have a Slackware (and not some derivative) with a shiny full featured XFCE desktop in 2.6GB out of 11GB (because we talk about slackware-current).

That's one story, solved by Eric, not by me, and IF he add his own installer script in the XFCE Live, there is no need also for my humble tutorial from this thread.
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Talking about "Slackware shall be installed at whole"...

Slackware is, like any distribution, essentially is a collection of software collections. For example:

The Apache webserver, with PHP and the fellow MySQL does not depend on KDE.
The FTP servers does not depend on KDE.
The Mail server (Sendmail) does not depend on KDE.
The X.org suite does not depend on KDE.
The XFCE does not depend on KDE, as demonstrated by Eric, aka AlienBOB
The GIMP does not depend on KDE.
The Mozilla suite does not depend on KDE.
The MPlayer does not depend on KDE.
And the list continue...

Long story short, in the Slackware are tons of applications and libraries which does not depend on KDE4 or (to be adopted) Plasma 5.

Then, I am wrong when I ask: "Guys, let's do a bit of order into those packages, because they are many (and will be even many), to know more easy which one is for KDE (4 , 5, as your choice), and which one NOT."

Why I talk now about this thing?

In the near future, the Slackware Team will have to remove hundreds of packages and to add over four hundreds new. That's a titanic work.

In other hand, either they will put all those "KDE dependencies" on L series, or they invent a new one, the burden is the same: to build those packages and make them to work together.

I know well that editing of a new set of tagfiles will be 0.001% from the entire work needed for adding Plasma 5.

Which, I will say again, I consider it being a titanic work on their part.

And for Plasma lovers the results are equal. No difference.

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I'm not so short on resources that I want to try this particular experiment. However I don't understand the resistance displayed in this thread to someone who does. Is our requirement for conformity so great? Whatever happened to not creating obstacles and just having fun?

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You beat me to the punch. I was just about to post, why are many so adamant against slimming down their installations? I still deal with Windows and you better believe I'm stripping out every component, software, dependencies etc..... that I don't use or need. It's not the end of the world for individuals to think outside their realm. Everyone has a brain, but only so many utilize the potential to exceed only to make something good become better.

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I guess you are one of the few who can see the forest for the trees.

Darth has been around long enough to handle constructive criticism. Also, its a bit hypocritical to write about people being harsh towards Darth and then make blanket statements like:
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In my post I was merely suggesting that methods of slimming Slackware down already exist and have existed for many years. Re-read Darths comments and make note of his "tone", and I think you will find why his posts (not just this thread) creates this type of atmosphere. More often than not, Darths posts are more in line with his way or the highway so to speak. Just an observation over the years. Even with valid points it can cause people to not see or not care what those points are.

2cents and all.

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