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Old 09-25-2004, 03:53 PM   #1
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D language


What do you guys know about D language?

Is it something that might be popular in the future?
 
Old 09-26-2004, 01:48 AM   #2
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Although the language itself looks nice, its creator (Walter) seems to want to keep fairly tight reins on it. Right on the digital mars site http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ he writes:

Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.

So, with this sort of talk about "IP rights" and patent notices, I don't think you'll see it really go anywhere with the free software community. Which is to say, I don't think you'll see it really go anywhere. Unfortunate.

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Old 09-26-2004, 05:19 PM   #3
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there is a d gnu compiler
D is a nice language, if you want the easiness of it, try Python
 
Old 09-27-2004, 01:47 AM   #4
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Note: all D users agree that by downloading and using D, or reading the D specs, they will explicitly identify any claims to intellectual property rights with a copyright or patent notice in any posted or emailed feedback sent to Digital Mars.

So, with this sort of talk about "IP rights" and patent notices, I don't think you'll see it really go anywhere with the free software community. Which is to say, I don't think you'll see it really go anywhere. Unfortunate.
This obscure sentence doesn't seems to be against open software, here is how it is explained on the site:

Question: What does this mean?

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* I think it means that if you send Walter an email with suggestions regarding D, you must notify him if those suggestions include a concept or technique that is patented or copyrighted... assuming you know that, of course. (Sean, Posting:digitalmars.D/10443)

* Right. The idea is simply to keep D unencumbered by submarine patents and other belated claims of copyright ownership. I've been following the SCO v. Linux dispute, and don't want any of that nonsense infecting D. If you want to claim ownership of, say, a contribution to Phobos, clearly say so with that contribution. (Walter, Posting:digitalmars.D/10452)

Actually, D is mostly open source software, and anyone is free to build its own d compiler.
The DMD front-end source is available under dual (GPL and Artistic) license. Phobos, the D standard library, is also licensed as dual GPL/Artistic unless the individual file specifies otherwise

Finally, there is no trademark on the letter "D", so there are other languages sharing the same name, one of each being Sun DTrace scripting language:
http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/dtrace/
 
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DTrace is written in D language or so I think
 
Old 09-27-2004, 02:42 PM   #6
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Not at all, Dtrace is written in C like most of Solaris, and has no relation with digital mars D language.
 
Old 09-27-2004, 03:16 PM   #7
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oh ok sorry for the FUD then
Thanks!
 
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Thanks for clarifying jlliagre. Looks like I had the meaning of that notice backwards.

In that case: greg, I'd say D looks promising and that if you're interested in writing system software (or really any software that you might've previously considered using C or C++ for) it would very likely be worth your while to learn D.

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Old 09-28-2004, 02:52 AM   #9
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Looks like I had the meaning of that notice backwards.
So did I at first reading ...

I agree with your comment on D language although I think it will have to struggle a lot to establish itself in front of strong contenders like the good (C & java), the bad (C++) and the ugly (C#, VB, perl ...)
 
Old 09-28-2004, 08:25 AM   #10
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C# is in the good group
just as python is.

anyways...
 
Old 09-28-2004, 10:09 AM   #11
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FUD again
 
Old 09-28-2004, 10:42 AM   #12
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> and the ugly (C#, VB, perl ...)

Hey! Some of like our languages ugly! ;)
 
Old 09-28-2004, 11:04 AM   #13
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Every now and then someone creates a new language and claims that this one's better (improved, more advanced) than the 'older' ones.
But yet it seems like all those older languages are still alive.
So are those new languages better, easier to use, more productive or just different?

Also there is always a language that the most popular or in use at the time. Right now probably C++ and Java are the most popular (ooops, some C guy has just thrown a shoe at me )
So maybe it's just a hype and not really a value of the language. I don't know.

I asked about D because I was wandering whether this language can become really popular in the future. Is it something that programmers will consider as a more convenient tool? Is it going to be something better or just guys who use it will claim that.

By the way, how do you pronounce C#?
 
Old 09-28-2004, 11:09 AM   #14
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> and the ugly (C#, VB, perl ...)

Hey! Some of like our languages ugly!
I guess programming languages are like wives. We have to say that they are beautiful because we live with them. Or maybe we live with them because they are beautiful. Anyway don't tell my wife I posted that.
 
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greg108, have fun with your wife man
It's always more fun than with any lang
 
  


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