[SOLVED] How complicated is updating GTK3 version on 14.2?

I'm hoping to avoid moving from 14.2 to -current for a little while longer, but I'm starting to feel the age of the GTK3 libraries when building some software. If I were to "borrow" the buildscripts for these from -current, how deep down the rabbit hole would I need to go? Would it be as simple as just gtk+3 and gtkmm3, or are there other things in the stack that would need updating at the same time (and in any particular order)?

I'm not too worried about breaking applications; the only GTK app that I use but don't already build myself is Firefox. I don't really want to build it, but at this point it would be worth it for the updated libs.

Any helpful insight is appreciated, especially from anyone who's actually done this.

You probably need to upgrade some other packages as well

here's the batch of update that Pat did last time he upgrade them. You probably didn't need them all, but i'm guessing most of them are needed for complete GTK+3 update.

l/at-spi2-atk-2.30.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/at-spi2-core-2.30.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/atk-2.30.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/atkmm-2.28.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/dconf-0.28.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. dconf and dconf-editor require Vala; the alternative would be to try to stick with the old versions forever, and we don't want to do that. l/dconf-editor-3.30.2-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/gcr-3.28.0-x86_64-3.txz: Rebuilt. Recompiled to add Vala bindings. l/gdk-pixbuf2-2.38.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/gexiv2-0.10.9-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/glib-networking-2.58.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/glib2-2.58.1-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/glibmm-2.58.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/gobject-introspection-1.58.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/gtk+3-3.24.1-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/gtkmm3-3.24.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/gvfs-1.38.1-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/libcap-2.26-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/libpsl-0.20.1-x86_64-1.txz: Added. Required by libsoup. l/libsoup-2.64.2-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/pangomm-2.42.0-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/pygobject3-3.30.2-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded. l/vte-0.54.2-x86_64-1.txz: Upgraded.

Originally Posted by willysr You probably need to upgrade some other packages as well here's the batch of update that Pat did last time he upgrade them. You probably didn't need them all, but i'm guessing most of them are needed for complete GTK+3 update.

Thanks, I was looking at similar entries, only from the 14.x changelogs, as guidance. It gave some idea of what *might* need concurrent updating, but with much uncertainty. I'm hoping to avoid changing any more than what's required, which my primitive superstitions would lead me to do.

I'll probably only attempt this if somebody else has already done it, since I can't devote large amounts of time to troubleshooting and downtime right now.

you can try first on a VM and reproduce it on your main machine once it's proven to be correct

Originally Posted by willysr you can try first on a VM and reproduce it on your main machine once it's proven to be correct

Yes, but the "proven" part could take some time, since some problems might not be immediately apparent, so I would probably just use an extra partition rather than a VM. If I have the time for that much "research", though, I might just decide to switch over to -current instead.

Looks like glib and pango would need to be updated first. Not sure if either of those would, in turn, require some other updates to compile.

Originally Posted by volkerdi Looks like glib and pango would need to be updated first. Not sure if either of those would, in turn, require some other updates to compile.

Thanks, that's good information. I would then need to rebuild everything else that depends on glib, right? It sounds like a bigger project than I want to get into right now, but knowing that saves me a lot of time and frustration, so thanks again.

I have done it. See the scripts I have in core-upgrades here:

https://github.com/montagdude/Cinnam...uilds-extended

Not all of them are GTK related, but you can probably pick out the ones that are. The build_order file has the build order (imagine that). The ones I have upgraded are probably not "complete" in that some others possibly should also be upgraded, but this has been working for me for several months now.

Originally Posted by montagdude Not all of them are GTK related, but you can probably pick out the ones that are. The build_order file has the build order (imagine that). The ones I have upgraded are probably not "complete" in that some others possibly should also be upgraded, but this has been working for me for several months now.

Thanks, that looks very interesting indeed! I'll try it on a fresh install when I get the chance. Have you found that this doesn't break apps built against the stock GTK 3.18.9? Or is that what's meant by "As a result, it is possible that some of the remaining packages will require a rebuild or upgrade"?

Originally Posted by yawfle Thanks, that looks very interesting indeed! I'll try it on a fresh install when I get the chance. Have you found that this doesn't break apps built against the stock GTK 3.18.9? Or is that what's meant by "As a result, it is possible that some of the remaining packages will require a rebuild or upgrade"?

This project is to build the latest Cinnamon on 14.2 and everything works fine within that context, but I don't run a lot of the other stuff included with Slackware as a result (Xfce, KDE, and most things in xap). So there may be other things in a stock install that would need to be rebuilt, but I haven't checked all of them. I would recommend trying on a VM or container first.

sbbdep should be able to tell you most (all?) of the packages on your system that depend on gtk+3.

https://slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/system/sbbdep/

sbbdep --whoneeds /var/log/packages/gtk+3-3.24.8-x86_64-1

As a follow-up, I've been using a portion of the core updates in the repository linked to by @montagdude above for almost a week now, with no problems so far. I updated everything except mozjs52, polkit, and upower. After a few more days, I plan to fully transition to the test system. Thank you very much to everybody for the help!

Originally Posted by yawfle As a follow-up, I've been using a portion of the core updates in the repository linked to by @montagdude above for almost a week now, with no problems so far. I updated everything except mozjs52, polkit, and upower. After a few more days, I plan to fully transition to the test system. Thank you very much to everybody for the help!

Just so you know, I have updated upower to a version beyond what is in -current, because it was needed for proper power management in Cinnamon. You definitely don't need to update that if you just want the new GTK+.