Who do you think will fold first? Trump Or Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer?

Originally Posted by ChuangTzu How immature of you. https://www.investors.com/politics/e...llary-clinton/ https://www.investors.com/politics/e...ies-to-russia/

I really do not mind if you do not care to answer the question, it was just an idle thought.

Originally Posted by ChuangTzu As soon as Pres. Trump was elected the Democrats not only said they would not work with him, they have been trying ad nauseum to have him kicked out.

You're confusing two different things; whether or not Trump should be the president is a separate issue to the "border wall" funding. Whether the Democrats work with him or not is another issue. They wouldn't even be meeting with him if they were "refusing" to work with him.

Even before the election Pres. Trump (then candidate) was asked in a debate if he would accept the results of the election if Hillary Clinton won. What a wonderfully telling and prophetic question.

What does this have to do with the "border wall" funding ?

PS: Please don't forget that the real election fraud was committed by the Democrat Party when they rigged the primaries for Bernie Sanders to lose and Hillary to be the nominee no matter what the vote count tallies were.

Which is another issue again...

Did you vote for Trump or something?

it's funny if the best one can say about trump is that "other presidents were also bad".

i can only shake my head at how the USA handles immigration, the fearmongering and misconceptions, the whole process probably gone off the rails sometime in the early last century.

things aren't rosy in Europe either, but at least people are dealing with it. meaning the immigrants, not how to shut them out.

and by the way, it is southern europe that often has to deal with the fallout of america's expansionist agressive politics.

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 I tend to agree with you for the very most part. From what I can see; Trump "creates" a "crisis" and acts like he's the "savor", that's solved the "crisis" - that *HE* created to begin with. He even said he'd shutdown the government if he didn't get his own way. That's not proper negotiation, that's blackmail. He's an idiot.

How true.

A fetus in a woman's womb has more maturity than Donald Trump

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 Did you vote for Trump or something?

No I did not, I stopped voting decades ago.

Originally Posted by ondoho it's funny if the best one can say about trump is that "other presidents were also bad". i can only shake my head at how the USA handles immigration, the fearmongering and misconceptions, the whole process probably gone off the rails sometime in the early last century. things aren't rosy in Europe either, but at least people are dealing with it. meaning the immigrants, not how to shut them out. and by the way, it is southern europe that often has to deal with the fallout of america's expansionist agressive politics.

ondoho, its not to stop immigration, it is to slow down and try to prevent "illegal" immigration, theres a big difference. And yes, Europe has a similar problem, perhaps an even bigger problem since the welfare state provides more "free" things in the EU then it does in the US. How would the EU member states handle (just to throw out a number) providing services for 25 million people who never paid into them? What methods does the EU have/utilize to prevent/slow down the problem of illegal immigration? I am honestly curious.

Originally Posted by Sid95 ... A fetus in a woman's womb has more maturity than Donald Trump

That's probably the best description of Trump I've seen not only in this thread, but probably anywhere...

Good description!

PS: I don't say any of what I've said above because I support the Democrats - I don't support any of the major parties where I live. I even told the government where I live that.

Originally Posted by ChuangTzu its not to stop immigration, it is to slow down and try to prevent "illegal" immigration, theres a big difference. And yes, Europe has a similar problem, perhaps an even bigger problem since the welfare state provides more "free" things in the EU then it does in the US. How would the EU member states handle (just to throw out a number) providing services for 25 million people who never paid into them? What methods does the EU have/utilize to prevent/slow down the problem of illegal immigration? I am honestly curious.

ugh.
i mean, the term "illegal immigrants" itself is so wrong.
who makes it illegal? the migrants, or the administration?
food for thought.

Here's an article that does not talk about illegal immigrants: https://migrationdataportal.org/them...ular-migration
It doesn't have a direct comparison, but there seems to be much less "irregular migration" in Europe compared to the USA.

Ask ourselves why so many are sceptical about science when itself tells us to be but most are not sceptical about everything else‽

Originally Posted by jsbjsb001 That's probably the best description of Trump I've seen not only in this thread, but probably anywhere... Good description! PS: I don't say any of what I've said above because I support the Democrats - I don't support any of the major parties where I live. I even told the government where I live that.

thanks jsbjsb001

Originally Posted by ondoho ugh. i mean, the term "illegal immigrants" itself is so wrong. who makes it illegal? the migrants, or the administration? food for thought.

ondoho, a person is an illegal immigrant when they enter a country illegally, or they violate a legal immigration process. A few examples, if you cross the border bypassing the ports of entry you entered the country illegally. If you enter the country via a work visa or student visa and stay past the expiry date then you are in the country illegally. Make sense?

Legal immigration is when you enter the country following the proper immigration laws, whether its a lottery system (which stinks) or a meritocracy (based on skills, education, ability to speak the language etc..., which is more fair).

Well, Pres. Trump spoke today around 4p EST, and the news stations all blacklisted it choosing instead to show College basketball, NBA basketball or golf depending on the network. I am not sure about cable news, but none of the local basic news stations chose to air it live.

In his speech Pres. Trump presented the democrats with a silver platter compromise plan, giving them everything they have asked for the last few years regarding immigration and still funding the southern border wall.

Here are a few highlights and a link to the speech:

1) extend DACA for 3 years to give Congress time to properly address a long term immigration solution, while giving the DACA kids at least 3 years of stability/support.
2) open the federal government sometime next week (ie: immediately once signed)
3) hire 75 additional immigration judges to close the backlog of 900,000 immigration cases
4) hire 2,750 border patrol agents
5) improve drug and weapons detection equipment at all ports of entry
6) provide $5.7 billion to build approx. 200 miles of a steel barrier on the border in the areas that most desperately need the barrier
7) provide a pathway for families to be reunited from central america via an application process
8) begin working on a humane, longterm, comprehensive immigration policy that is suitable for the 21st century.

The ball is now in the Democrats court so to speak. Time to move forward as a country!

Link to the speech:
FULL: President Trump Major Announcement on Border Crisis 1/19/19
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmpXeFOEHVo

Kick everyone off the planet!

If you're not living past 200 you're smart enough to drink the Kool-Aid! Piece out, unsubscribed.

And just like that, Nancy Pelosi rejects the deal:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1PD0QF

ChuangTzu, you keep insisting that the "wall" is "needed", yet you haven't put up any reasonable argument to back this claim up. Is that because even mayor's of the towns and cites along the southern border also say it won't work. So why are they saying it won't work, if it would ?

I think you should understand that they would have a far better idea then anyone else would. They see the problems there better than anyone one else, including Trump and yourself. I guess you've never heard of people just tunnelling UNDER that wall, it happens all the time from what I read. How's a "wall" by itself going to stop that ? Which seems to be Trump's ONLY solution.

It's a very short sighted solution, and is no solution full stop, period. Based on your posts, I can only conclude you are indeed a Trump supporter, so call a spade a spade and put your cards on the table please.

Perhaps you should read the following links since you seem to like posting them yourself - I like this part of the first link:

(please pay attention to what's in bold)

"I think building a concrete structure sea to shining sea is the most expensive and least effective way to do border security," said Will Hurd, a Republican congressman whose district has the longest border with Mexico. Congressman Hurd's 23rd Congressional District, which stretches from El Paso to San Antonio, shares the largest border with Mexico of any member of Congress. Mr Hurd, a former CIA agent who happens to be the only black Republican in the House of Representatives, has argued for a "smart border wall" which would be composed of sensors and other technology. "A Smart Wall would use sensor, radar and surveillance technologies to detect and track incursions across our border so we can deploy efficiently our most important resource, the men and women of Border Patrol, to perform the most difficult task - interdiction," he wrote in an op-ed in 2017. Mr Hurd, who broke rank with Republicans to vote on a Democratic-led bill to reopen government, said after Mr Trump's speech on Tuesday: "If this is a crisis, the people that are dealing with this crisis should get paid." Federal workers who are deemed "essential" such as border patrol agents, have been forced to work without pay as the shutdown continues.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46815569
https://www.cato.org/publications/co...wall-wont-work

Funny how the Democrats from what I've read say largely the SAME things...