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Old 11-08-2020, 08:25 AM   #136
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https://legalbeagle.com/12721368-how...ight-last.html

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Pre-1978 Copyrights

Movies created and copyrighted before January 1, 1978 will retain rights 
under the Copyright Act of 1909 but with some changes afforded by the 
Copyright Act of 1976. Under the 1909 Act, copyright was secured on the 
date a work was published or, if unpublished, on the date of registration. 
Copyright lasted for 28 years and was eligible for copyright renewals. 
The 1976 Act retained the previous system but allowed for increased 
renewal terms lasting 47 years. The 1998 Copyright Term Extension Act 
increased the renewal terms another 20 years for a total of 67 years. 
Thus, for works created prior to January 1, 1978, the total number of 
possible copyright protected years is now 95 years from the original 
date of copyrighting.
Oh ok, I had some of that wrong, thanks. And it keeps changing.

You have to be a lawyer to keep this straight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States
https://www.imdb.com/list/ls003915205/
 
Old 11-08-2020, 09:39 AM   #137
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And it must be noted that items go into public domain after different periods of time in different countries! This results in odd things like a work being PD in Australia, but not in the USA! This creates a huge confusion when something is labeled Public Domain on the internet when you do not really know what country the site is homed in, or what the laws there say and how they differ form your local laws.

There is no worldwide standard.
 
Old 11-16-2020, 08:39 PM   #138
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For the moment, issue is resolved in favor of youtube-dl.
https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/...res_youtubedl/
 
Old 11-17-2020, 02:34 AM   #139
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For the moment, issue is resolved in favor of youtube-dl.
https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/...res_youtubedl/
Good news indeed, thanks for sharing!

Facit:
  • It pays to support the EFF (I'm not uncritical of them, but they clearly delivered here).
  • The RIAA's claims of circumventing encryption were - as I thought - bogus technobabble.
The article above has a short explanation:
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But as the Electronic Frontier Foundation argued in its effort to counter the takedown notice, youtube-dl is simply a tool for streaming and downloading videos that uses the same mechanisms and means of access as a web browser.
The EFF's letter to github has a slightly longer but still non-technical explanation. I recommend it in its entirety. The link is from this github blog - of course they're shamelessly overplaying the "we're the good guys" theme, but I'm still glad.
 
Old 11-17-2020, 05:59 AM   #140
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Very close to the "best possible outcome" and quite unexpected (by me).
 
Old 11-17-2020, 06:43 AM   #141
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It's good, relatively speaking, and kudos to the EFF for being on top of things. They should get the credit in this saga not M$, because they did the work and brought the lawyers. However, as for declaring a best possible outcome, that would have two parts neither of which are present in this story.

One part would have been M$ GitHub standing up for the developers in the first place rather than waiting for the EFF to bring out the lawyers. It was only the massive negative publicity which forced M$ hand in this. And the other part would have been youtube-dl getting the wherewithal to self-host or, failing that, moving to something with more freedom and less M$ such as sourcehut. The boat has sailed for the first part, in regards to youtube-dl but M$ can still stand up for developers next time the RIAA tries to pull the same trick. Time may tell. However it is not too late for the project to self-host or migrate services.
 
Old 11-17-2020, 01:39 PM   #142
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Yep

Code:
~$ sudo youtube-dl -U
[sudo] password :                 
Updating to version 2020.11.17 ...
Updated youtube-dl. Restart youtube-dl to use the new version.
 
Old 11-17-2020, 04:50 PM   #143
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It's good, relatively speaking, and kudos to the EFF for being on top of things. They should get the credit in this saga not M$, because they did the work and brought the lawyers. However, as for declaring a best possible outcome, that would have two parts neither of which are present in this story.

One part would have been M$ GitHub standing up for the developers in the first place rather than waiting for the EFF to bring out the lawyers. It was only the massive negative publicity which forced M$ hand in this. And the other part would have been youtube-dl getting the wherewithal to self-host or, failing that, moving to something with more freedom and less M$ such as sourcehut. The boat has sailed for the first part, in regards to youtube-dl but M$ can still stand up for developers next time the RIAA tries to pull the same trick. Time may tell. However it is not too late for the project to self-host or migrate services.
Github sponsored a $1Million fund for defending such claims in the future, which is a good sign.

Keep watching. This whole thing might turn out to be even more important than it seemed at first.
 
Old 11-18-2020, 04:09 PM   #144
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Github sponsored a $1Million fund for defending such claims in the future, which is a good sign.

Keep watching. This whole thing might turn out to be even more important than it seemed at first.
+1 I agree
 
Old 11-19-2020, 02:53 AM   #145
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Good to know (aside from mine) some money, goes some good places, sometimes...

I was never worried, it's open source; also, never left Sid's repos.
 
  


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