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Old 09-14-2020, 02:31 AM   #1
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SailfishOS Appretiation Thread


For half a year I have been using this operating system on a phone that I specifically bought for the purpose (*).

I have been dreaming of "real" GNU/Linux on a smartphone for years, and this is it:
  • A wayland session with a Qt desktop
  • RPM package management with all tools required: zypper, pkcon...
  • Full interaction with the (file)system is possible in ways any Linux admin is familiar with (anybody trying this on Android knows why this is a big thing)
  • Customisation through user systemd services etc.
  • A capable community creating useful (!) FOSS software
One can always use the OS for free, but has to pay for certain features: On-device OS updates (**), Android support, Text predicition. Here's a good overview of what you get and what devices are supported.

And some parts are not FOSS - you can get a good overview on the lower half of this page and here.

However, I trust this company infinitely more than, say, Google - for many reasons: they're small, they're in the EU, they clearly respect their non-paying users, they have transparent Terms & Conditions and a comprehensive Privacy Policy:
https://jolla.com/privacy-policy/
https://jolla.com/sales-terms-conditions/
https://jolla.com/terms-of-service/
https://jolla.com/sailfish-eula/

But - the community and support channels are scattered beyond words:
https://talk.maemo.org/
https://forum.sailfishos.org/
https://together.jolla.com/
https://jolla.zendesk.com/
Also their websites are both jolla.com and sailfishos.org.
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OK, that's enough for a first post.
Who else uses SailfishOS?
Share your experience and hacks?
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(*) It was dirt cheap. The market is so saturated with smartphones, they sell for a fraction of the price just a year or so after their release. I bought the Sony Xperia XA2 for 60EUR - it went for ~300EUR in 2018!

(**) however, it's always possible to reinstall when a new version comes out.

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Old 09-14-2020, 09:31 AM   #2
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Never mind the OS, that Jolla shop page shows a thing called a Gemini PDA and it's got a five row qwerty mechanical keyboard.

The Planet/Gemini website is atrociously bad... but its a six inch device with a REAL KEYBOARD!!!!

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/c..._1400_s_2.webp

I need to decide whether to get a sim-based one or not, or maybe the Cosmo depending on what "planned support" actually means.

/me is super excited.

So uh, yeah... not yet a Sailfish user, but very likely to be trying it in the near future.

 
Old 09-14-2020, 06:28 PM   #3
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I've been wanting to try Sailfish since I now own a supported device and it looks like it should run very smoothly on it.

I'll need to get more sdcards first or maybe I could try Megi's multiboot image.
 
Old 09-15-2020, 01:05 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by boughtonp View Post
Never mind the OS, that Jolla shop page shows a thing called a Gemini PDA and it's got a five row qwerty mechanical keyboard.

The Planet/Gemini website is atrociously bad... but its a six inch device with a REAL KEYBOARD!!!!

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/c..._1400_s_2.webp

I need to decide whether to get a sim-based one or not, or maybe the Cosmo depending on what "planned support" actually means.

/me is super excited.

So uh, yeah... not yet a Sailfish user, but very likely to be trying it in the near future.
Agree about their website. Wix, srsly?

Where are you reading "planned support"? For the Gemini PDA?
Anyhow, SailfishOS has been going for almost a decade (counting in its heritage it would be more like 15 years) and it's not likely to drop dead anytime soon.
If this particular device gets you tickled, Sailfish is historically affiliated with the Nokia N900, and on talk.maemo.org you can find many like-minded people as well as talk about and other mobile devices with keyboards.

The thing that got me really tickled is that I finally (*) got SSHFS support working. Not only working, but accessible by all software, too!
This means: no more media servers required, I can listen to music & watch video & open password databases straight from my server. And it works really well, too, on a 4G connection!

Honorable mention: Deadbeef for SailfishOS.

(*) "finally" meaning: after years of pining for something like that on Android. Sometimes hearing that it's possible, only to get disappointed: either it works only inside the terminal app, or one needs to run a full Linux distro in a chroot...

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Old 09-17-2020, 07:54 AM   #5
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Where are you reading "planned support"? For the Gemini PDA?
No, for the Cosmo Communicator - the Planet Computers store has the following for Gemini and Cosmo:

https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/gemini-pda-1
> OS: Android OS 7.11 upgradable to 8.1 as standard.
>
> User installable Sailfish, Linux Debian and Linux Kali.

https://store.planetcom.co.uk/produc...o-communicator
> OS: Currently supporting Android OS.
>
> *Planned support for Sailfish, Linux Debian and Linux Kali.

I still haven't gotten around to checking whether that means that on the Cosmo those OSes don't yet work at all, or only the common features work and not (e.g.) the external screen, or something else.


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If this particular device gets you tickled, Sailfish is historically affiliated with the Nokia N900, and on talk.maemo.org you can find many like-minded people as well as talk about and other mobile devices with keyboards.
Thanks, I'll probably pop-up over there once I've actually done a bit of research, since I'll no doubt still have questions, and there looks to be at least a couple of existing Gemini users there.


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