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Old 05-17-2018, 07:52 AM   #2911
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Microsoft fanboy trolling around.
Please don't adapt the fact that Linuxians are fanboys to other systems. We are not fanboys of anything.
 
Old 05-17-2018, 07:56 AM   #2912
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fanboys of anything
Just generators of loads of hot air???
 
Old 05-17-2018, 08:02 AM   #2913
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Please don't adapt the fact that Linuxians are fanboys to other systems. We are not fanboys of anything.
Well, the way you've been praising Windows in this thread certainly gives that impression. We? Is there more than one of you, or are you royalty?
 
Old 05-17-2018, 10:07 AM   #2914
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I really doubt anybody disagrees that BSD is more secure but then again doesn't it use mostly Linux software? like desktops etc?
What you call "Linux software" is not actually Linux software (technically the Linux kernel is Linux software). X.org for example, is not "Linux software", to name just one. There are of course some very "Linux proprietary" pieces of software which are designed specifically for "Linux" or the Linux kernel and where the developers specifically don't want to target other UNIX type OS (one obvious example of this would be systemd of course), but this does not constitute the majority of packages you'd find in the repositories of a typical Linux distribution. Many of such software is not even released under the typical GPL licences, but under BSD, ISC, MIT, etc, "permissive" licences.

"BSD" is also a fallacious term. BSD is long since discontinued, though there are operating systems descended from BSD, such as NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonFly BSD - but these have diverged considerably.

You are correct however that the "*BSDs" can optionally use some of the same 3rd party software installed via "ports" that is commonly found on Linux distributions. But much of this is also available for Windows and macOS, as well as some other OS. The base system of any given *BSD is not GNU however. The *BSDs are complete operating systems rather than just a kernel.

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This thread is not about Mac, but here goes. Mac has drifted pretty far from its bsd roots, however an open source version of it is being worked on here. http://www.puredarwin.org It doesn't claim to be bsd
Darwin itself is open source anyway. The one you link to is a 3rd party effort, which seems to be something similar to the old OpenDarwin project. (They can't release it under a different license.)
 
Old 05-17-2018, 10:31 AM   #2915
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What you call "Linux software" is not actually Linux software (technically the Linux kernel is Linux software). X.org for example, is not "Linux software", to name just one
Please, give a guy a break. You know what I meant and everybody else in the thread knows what I meant.

By the way. If you go to a website for software that supports Linux, you'll see Runs On Linux, not Runs on Ubuntu, Mint, Arch, suse, slackware, tiny core etc,etc,etc and so on for a whole page.
 
Old 05-17-2018, 06:48 PM   #2916
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...The Crazy Uncle, maybe. With my "FreeBSD Power To Serve" T-shirt, table talk with my nieces about how to deal with someone performing a DOS on one of their friends PS4 and what he must have considered controversial computer subjects conversed so casually among clan...
More information about the conversation PLEASE The only controversy I can think of is the init system which must not be named? Or is there another?

My sister's kids' significant others consider me The Zealot rather than crazy.
 
Old 05-17-2018, 07:22 PM   #2917
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More information about the conversation PLEASE The only controversy I can think of is the init system which must not be named? Or is there another?

My sister's kids' significant others consider me The Zealot rather than crazy.
Well, in addition to defining and advising them on options available to dealing with the Denial of Service attack, according to my bother-in-law his daughters were all big fans of Napster and we talked a bit along those lines. He used to worry the Feds would come knocking on his door because they once had over 4000 songs on their computers. It was common knowledge and something we all considered normal conversation.

It didn't occur to me at the time his parents were attorneys and talk of Copyright Infringement, piracy and hacking were probably not topics he was used to hearing in that context at the dinner table. He did look a little peaked, and left the table while we were all still eating pizza. I picked up on it right away then.

I think his headache left around the same time I did.

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Old 05-18-2018, 02:16 AM   #2918
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...It didn't occur to me at the time his parents were attorneys and talk of Copyright Infringement, piracy and hacking were probably not topics he was used to hearing in that context at the dinner table. He did look a little peaked, and left the table while we were all still eating pizza. I picked up on it right away then...
Copyright - one of my favourite hobby horses. The younglings (when they were young) had trouble understanding how I could so forcefully criticise copyright legislation and yet avoid unlicensed copying myself*.

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...I think his headache left around the same time I did.
I always put that down to a generational difference

*Not so much "the law is the law", but more "don't give up the moral high ground if you want to win".
 
Old 05-18-2018, 02:34 AM   #2919
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Please, give a guy a break. You know what I meant and everybody else in the thread knows what I meant.
You may have missed my point. I was not making the "Linux is a kernel" point, if that's what you've assumed? My response was to this comment:
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I really doubt anybody disagrees that BSD is more secure but then again doesn't it use mostly Linux software? like desktops etc?
You have implied that "desktops etc" are "Linux software" in that you've led me to believe that you consider "desktops etc" to be "Linux software"? My response was to the effect that most "desktops" - i.e. windows managers and X itself were not developed for Linux. In the case of X, it pre-dates Linux as do many window managers and lots of other software.

My point being that there is no "Linux software" as such, except for perhaps certain bits of plumbing, which are developed specifically for the Linux kernel.

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By the way. If you go to a website for software that supports Linux, you'll see Runs On Linux, not Runs on Ubuntu, Mint, Arch, suse, slackware, tiny core etc,etc,etc and so on for a whole page.
Not exactly sure how that's relevant?

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