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View Poll Results: How do you pronounce the word daemon in a Linux context?
Dymon 3 21.43%
Demon 11 78.57%
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Old 12-05-2019, 06:44 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by hazel View Post
Although he uses this spelling, which is Latin and should therefore be pronounced "daimon"/"dymon", his preferred pronunciation is "demon". Maybe that's just a dig at the Christian Church, which he hates. But it got me thinking.
That's his preferred pronunciation because it's the correct pronunciation - it's pronounced just the same as 'demon', and it's how I've always said it too.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pro...english/daemon

EDIT: it seems that the answer is actually 'it depends' - but 'demon' is the safest bet.

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Old 12-05-2019, 08:19 AM   #17
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In English it's correctly pronounced "dee-mon". I think it gets mispronounced by many, because "ae" is little used in North America - and this mispronunciation has persisted to the extent that the forms "dee-man", "day-man" and "dy-man" are now all in use.

e.g. as with "aeon" / "eon" or "paediatrician" / "pediatrician".

I somehow doubt it's any more complex than that...


In the BSD or UNIX context: https://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html

(no guidance on pronunciation offered)

//edit: The wikipedia article contains this utterly absurd statement:
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However, BSD and some of its derivatives have adopted a Christian demon as their mascot rather than a Greek daemon.[citation needed]
Equating the "beastie" mascot to a "Christian demon" is nonsense. It is a cartoon character.

http://www.mckusick.com/beastie/shirts/usenix.html

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Old 12-05-2019, 08:37 AM   #18
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e.g. as with "aeon" / "eon" or "paediatrician" / "pediatrician".
Indeed, it seems that there isn't any hard and fast rule. It must be historical.

e.g. 'Paediatrician' here is pronounced 'peediatrician'.

'Paedophile' is pronounced 'peedophile' whereas in the US it is pronounced 'peddophile'.

Now, these words both have similar roots, which is the Greek pais / paidos, meaning 'child', whereby the vowel sound is pronounced as in 'iron'.

Given that word pronunciation adoption is largely done via peer group, I imagine 'dymon' was just thoughtlessly inherited. A more accurate question would be, "how should the word 'daemon' be correctly pronounced in the 21st century?". But then we get into questions over the appropriateness of could vs should [which in itself presents further dilemmas, seeing as some things both could and should occur].

Now, if we look at a graphical representation of the word's usage over the last decade, we see a steady drop until very recently when there is a rather sharp climb [i.e literally the last few weeks, hence the topical nature of the OP]. I imagine that pronunciation adoption would then wholly depend on the source, nevertheless, I would posit that 'demon' would still be maintained majoritively as correct.

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Old 12-05-2019, 09:55 AM   #19
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I pronounce it dee-mon, so I'm assuming this correlates to demon.
Same for me, and that's also the way I voted too.

I've always thought the word "daemon" is a rather strange name for what is also known as a "service" or "system service". I prefer the word "service" over "a daemon" - the latter sounds like it's from some type of mythological world.

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Hey, could be worse, I used to work with a person who persistently tried to pronounce Linux as Leenux.
I've heard one guy pronounce Linux as "Line-ux".
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:11 AM   #20
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I've always thought the word "daemon" is a rather strange name for what is also known as a "service" or "system service". I prefer the word "service" over "a daemon" - the latter sounds like it's from some type of mythological world.
Ah but "service" sounds like it's from some type of Windows world....
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I've heard one guy pronounce Linux as "Line-ux".
That's the common pronunciation over here among people who have at least heard of it, but never used it.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:21 AM   #21
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I never looked up how it was pronounced so I pronounce it day-mon base on how it is spelled. I never was good with the exception to the rule when it came to spelling and pronunciation.

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Old 12-05-2019, 10:22 AM   #22
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Ah but "service" sounds like it's from some type of Windows world....
Yeah, I was waiting for you to say that, I know you too well cynwulf

I guess "agent" doesn't have the same ring to it...

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That's the common pronunciation over here among people who have at least heard of it, but never used it.
Funny you say that; the same guy actually did also say "I don't know anyone who uses Linux" - not that that's surprising, given this is Australia where I was talking about...
 
Old 12-05-2019, 10:40 AM   #23
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That's the common pronunciation over here among people who have at least heard of it, but never used it.
That may be so. The other day I was at a conference on my laptop and the guy next to me leaned over and said, "excuse me, is that Line-ux?"

I said yes, to which he replied, "which distribution?". I told him it was Slackware and he said he hadn't heard of it.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 11:10 AM   #24
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Funny you say that; the same guy actually did also say "I don't know anyone who uses Linux" - not that that's surprising, given this is Australia where I was talking about...
I know absolutely nobody who uses Linux (let alone 'BSD).
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I said yes, to which he replied, "which distribution?". I told him it was Slackware and he said he hadn't heard of it.
Yes it's bizarrely almost "well known" to us but obscure and unheard of among the general public. I find that it's easy to forget that.

A not so close relative of mine works in "IT outsourcing". A few months ago he was waffling on about "IIS migration", "cloud" and other corporate buzzword products. We got talking about security and vulnerabilities, etc and though he had a lot of opinions and thoughts on Linux (mostly not at all negative) it was clear that he had only a very vague understanding at best.

I plucked my copy of "Absolute OpenBSD" off the shelf. After flicking through a few pages, he was somewhat flabbergasted "well that's computer science...". I explained that it wasn't - needless to say he had never heard of 'BSD.
 
Old 12-05-2019, 01:34 PM   #25
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Apologies if I misread when reading the above but, really, it's something like "Lee-nuks" as his name is, roughly, "Leenus". Though, in the famous sound recording, he suggests he does not care.

For clarification, in day-to-to day speach I pronounce daemon "Deemon" and Linux "lin-uks". However, for clarification, I would pronounce deamon " dae'mon" and Linus (to differentiate him out from a well-known YouTuber, for example, as "Lee'nus".
 
Old 12-06-2019, 06:22 PM   #26
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This thread is a great reminder of why *nix beats Windows/Mac....so stable we can discuss/debate the proper pronunciation of daymin.
 
Old 12-06-2019, 06:51 PM   #27
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In English it's correctly pronounced "dee-mon"... e.g. as with "aeon" / "eon" or "paediatrician" / "pediatrician"...
OK, I've just changed the way I pronounce it. Kicking myself I never connected it with "paediatrician".
 
Old 12-06-2019, 07:00 PM   #28
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I know absolutely nobody who uses Linux (let alone 'BSD)...
I know personally a couple of Linux users, don't know any BSD user.

I also spent part of a support call to my ISP comparing notes with the helpdesk worker - he was on Fedora x.something (from memory).
 
  


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