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Old 08-22-2018, 03:16 PM   #1
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The future of the LQ HCL


Based on a combination of lack of usage and where Linux hardware support is in 2018, I think it makes sense to wind down the LQ HCL. I'll leave some time for discussion and dissenting opinions, as well as for members to get any data they'd like. Your feedback is appreciated.

--jeremy
 
Old 08-22-2018, 03:24 PM   #2
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Based on a combination of lack of usage and where Linux hardware support is in 2018, I think it makes sense to wind down the LQ HCL. I'll leave some time for discussion and dissenting opinions, as well as for members to get any data they'd like. Your feedback is appreciated.

--jeremy
I agree: you're 100% correct; in 2018, the amount of hardware/devices that is supported far outweighs what is NOT supported. To find outliers these days, you're either running VERY new (or very OLD) hardware. And changing distros can often times yield results.
 
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:37 AM   #3
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I know that the HCL is something people are occasionally pointed towards when they ask hardware questions. But I don't know how worthwhile it is, or even if they recommended persons visit it. Meanwhile I feel that a lot of people also take the tact of suggesting a scan of the PCI interface or the USB interface to help resolve issues.
 
Old 08-23-2018, 11:06 AM   #4
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What TB0ne said.

And also, it's easy enough to just do a Google search to see if that piece of hardware is supported or not. That's what I usually do. You'll soon see if it isn't if you do that anyway. There are also sites dedicated to providing HCL's anyway. Personally, it may have made sense to have it before, but given the above, I don't think it does make sense to have one here anymore.

Such is life, the world moves on...
 
Old 08-24-2018, 03:20 AM   #5
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i wouldn't remove it though.
it still has historical value, and why not let people contribute to it every now and then.
judging from forum threads, the use case of install linux on old laptop still seems very common...

or does it take up too much server space?
 
Old 08-24-2018, 03:55 AM   #6
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i wouldn't remove it though.
it still has historical value, and why not let people contribute to it every now and then.
judging from forum threads, the use case of install linux on old laptop still seems very common...
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There are already sites that provide "historical archives", I'm sure there would be the same for HCL's/computers. There are also old threads that could help there is well - from my reading Jeremy doesn't seem to be talking about removing them.

Unless Jeremy what's to expand LQ's focus to include "historical archives" (which I'm not sure is a good idea in-itself), then personally I'd think there's very little point in maintaining one here.

That said, Jeremy, you should start a poll. It would be interesting to see the result of one here.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 09:26 AM   #7
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i wouldn't remove it though.
it still has historical value, and why not let people contribute to it every now and then.
judging from forum threads, the use case of install linux on old laptop still seems very common...

or does it take up too much server space?
While I am a huge fan of archiving content because of historical value, I don't think the HCL info provides much value (and in some cases I think it's actively misleading at this point). Much of the hardware you can't buy anymore, and the vast majority of hardware that wasn't supported when an entry was posted now is. It's exceeding difficult to track "doesn't work in Linux" vs "doesn't work in this particular distro" and a ton of work to even attempt to keep entries current.

--jeremy
 
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:22 AM   #8
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While I am a huge fan of archiving content because of historical value, I don't think the HCL info provides much value (and in some cases I think it's actively misleading at this point). Much of the hardware you can't buy anymore, and the vast majority of hardware that wasn't supported when an entry was posted now is. It's exceeding difficult to track "doesn't work in Linux" vs "doesn't work in this particular distro" and a ton of work to even attempt to keep entries current.

--jeremy
This to me is the deciding factor. Better to be no data than potentially misleading data. I would ditch it.
 
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Old 08-24-2018, 03:01 PM   #9
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Lots of helpers on the forum, who may have used some of that old equipment themselves, could easily answer questions relating to it - & the fact that most people are using 'around about' 10 year old equipment as 'old', means that it is supported by most distros, so if looking to gain some space, I'd say yes, clear it out.
 
Old 08-24-2018, 09:19 PM   #10
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I agree. I think HCLs for Linux have outlasted their usefulness for the great majority of Linux users and of the Linux-curious.

The only one I consult with any regularity is the one at openprinting.org, because printer manufacturers' support of Linux is so erratic, and I don't think LQ can or should compete with it.
 
Old 08-25-2018, 12:55 AM   #11
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I used to use it quite a lot. I haven't been able to upload to it in almost a year now anyway, so my vote is dump it. As mentioned by others, there's not a lot of hardware that doesn't at least partially work now, and most of the ones that don't (Broadcom...) aren't THAT difficult to get working...
 
Old 08-25-2018, 01:07 AM   #12
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Felt happy when I had found the list.

Never used it.

When I go to the civic amenity site *), I use to shed some tears but a minute later forget what I have just dumped there.

Dump it.

*) Quite constrained to use the expressions that I find in diverse dictionaries, I feel uneasy with many of them... Don't do nothing, I just give vent to sth.. WHATEVER!
 
Old 08-25-2018, 02:58 AM   #13
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(and in some cases I think it's actively misleading at this point). Much of the hardware you can't buy anymore, and the vast majority of hardware that wasn't supported when an entry was posted now is. It's exceeding difficult to track "doesn't work in Linux" vs "doesn't work in this particular distro"
ok, that makes a lot of sense.

i just looked at it, the timestamps suggest extremely sporadic contributions.
still, a pity for some of the more useful content.

over the years i've learned to get the information i need from the internet, considering outdated content from multiple sources has often been part of the process.
also, there's plenty more equally flawed Linux HCLs on the internet...
 
Old 01-30-2019, 09:46 PM   #14
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Although I have occasionally pointed poster the LQ HCL (mostly to promote LQ), I am inclined to agree that Linux HCLs in general have outlived their usefulness. The only one that I can think might be an exception is the openprinting.org database.
 
  


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