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Old 06-23-2018, 10:35 PM   #1
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any hope for dead drive?


Short answer b/c marked solved: Any Hope for this SSD drive? Nope.

I have an NTFS drive that suddenly stopped working It has my win10 system on it. I can swap this drive for another drive with a linux system on it and it boots fine so the problem is the drive. I have a USB SATA adapter. The linux disk mounts on it fine but the NTFS does not register at all. Nothing turns up in /dev, lsblk does not show it.

I suspect the answer is no, but my question is whether there is any way to get "at" the disk if it does not register as a device? I brought it to a lab, but they said it would cost a fortune to do anything because they would have to unsolder and resolder the chips. No can afford.

I would provide lsusb and lsblk, but they do not show anything since the drive is not being seen.

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Old 06-23-2018, 11:50 PM   #2
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Ypu can also try to buy the same drive again and swap the PCB of the drive.
Maybe this works.
 
Old 06-24-2018, 06:27 AM   #3
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can you take it out of the enclosure and connect it internally?
 
Old 06-24-2018, 08:39 AM   #4
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Try another lab. If the platters are physically undamaged it is not a matter of soldering chips, but simply swapping the electronics. Labs do that every day. As far as I understand, costs are moderate. About 5-10 times the price of a hard disk or so.

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Old 06-24-2018, 09:59 AM   #5
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I have an NTFS drive that suddenly stopped working It has my win10 system on it. I can swap this drive for another drive with a linux system on it and it boots fine so the problem is the drive. I have a USB SATA adapter. The linux disk mounts on it fine but the NTFS does not register at all. Nothing turns up in /dev, lsblk does not show it.

I suspect the answer is no, but my question is whether there is any way to get "at" the disk if it does not register as a device? I brought it to a lab, but they said it would cost a fortune to do anything because they would have to unsolder and resolder the chips. No can afford. I would provide lsusb and lsblk, but they do not show anything since the drive is not being seen.
First question would be, is this a hard drive or an SSD? SSD's have NO chance of recovery, once they reach the end of their life cycle; there are no platters, motors, etc., the cells are just dead.

A hard drive MAY be fixed. Is the drive spinning up? Do you hear the motor come to speed when power is applied, and do you hear the heads unlock? If so, find another drive of the same brand/model, and try just swapping the boards on the bottom. You *MIGHT* get lucky...maybe. Past that, it's either pay the lab, restore from backups, or kiss the data goodbye.
 
Old 06-24-2018, 11:40 PM   #6
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First question would be, is this a hard drive or an SSD? SSD's have NO chance of recovery, once they reach the end of their life cycle; there are no platters, motors, etc., the cells are just dead.

A hard drive MAY be fixed. Is the drive spinning up? Do you hear the motor come to speed when power is applied, and do you hear the heads unlock? If so, find another drive of the same brand/model, and try just swapping the boards on the bottom. You *MIGHT* get lucky...maybe. Past that, it's either pay the lab, restore from backups, or kiss the data goodbye.
Oops my bad. SSD samsung 850 EVO 1Tb.
 
Old 06-25-2018, 07:36 AM   #7
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Oops my bad. SSD samsung 850 EVO 1Tb.
Kiss it goodbye, put it in the trash. Restore from backup...those are your options with a dead SSD.
 
Old 06-25-2018, 01:14 PM   #8
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See if you can run any Samsung tools even if you have to install windows 10 trial on extra drive or use generic tools to run diags.
 
Old 06-27-2018, 10:43 PM   #9
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See if you can run any Samsung tools even if you have to install windows 10 trial on extra drive or use generic tools to run diags.
Will try this when I get the new drive in and get win10 going on that machine. Thought there might be some special Linux sauce for getting at the drive, but I guess if it is not seen as a drive in Linux, win, or BIOS, I am reinstalling. All my data is backed up, so no loss of anything but time. The way windows accumulates cruft it is probably better to restart from scratch anyway.

Thanks everyone (and also for not hacking on me for bringing a win 10 disk to the forum...I use Linux everywhere else but my pro audio laptop has too much windows stuff invested in to go full on Linux for that).

Got responses from data recovery companies and all want a thousand plus dollars to try recovering an ssd, apparently because it has to go to a clean room and get disassembled. This kind of sucks as I am pretty sure the data is fine: the disk is only a year or so old; I think it was the controller that flaked, but oh well, windows reinstall hell it is again.

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Old 06-27-2018, 10:48 PM   #10
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can you take it out of the enclosure and connect it internally?
it was an internal drive. I tried it on a known working USB-SATA connector, and it does not show up in linux there.
 
Old 06-28-2018, 10:39 AM   #11
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Hi,

For a SSD, if the diagnostics can not do anything then do not waste time or money on that drive. No clean room required for a SSD. Clean rooms or pressure boxes for a Spinning disk would be necessary so as not to get contaminated from foreign particles that could crash the heads therefore destroying any platters.

Hope this helps.
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