NOTE: Red Hat vs. Fedora Forum
 

This is just to clarify the difference between the Red Hat and Fedora forums. The Red Hat forum is for the discussion of any Red Hat product, including RHEL, RHPW and RHCE. The Fedora forum is for the discussion of anything pertaining to Fedora including Fedora Core, YUM questions, etc. If you have any questions feel free to post them here.

--jeremy

Thanks for the clarification, Jeremy! :)

Yes, as I have even not only posted Fedora Questions in the Red Hat
Forums, but sometimes they migrate a little considering the relationship. But with the announcements made today, even Red Hat
is clarifying a lot of this and they can be considered separate, even if still related somewhate.

Thanks

In the forum description, please name it Fedora Project, not Fedora Linux Project. Fedora Project is the official name. Fedora Linux has been the other one.

THx for the bright explaniation!!!!

Actually, I'm still confuse the future of Red Hat..

Accordingly, fedora is a new ?operating system? (correct me if wrong), and hence Red Hat announce the termination of Red Hat service support for the 7.3 --> 9.0, also announce the Red Hat 9.0 is the last release.

So, which is the best distro for home user ? because both distro 1) Enterprise 2) Fedora seem to be more business centered..

RH-business, Fedora-home
 

In a nutshell, Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) is intended for commercial use, and the Fedora Core is intended for personal, hobbyist, and developer use. Red Hat's supported product is RHEL. Red Hat will, however, provide product management and direction to the Fedora Core project, and they will also be, on occasion, contributing technology to the community oriented Fedora Core.

As far as support for the personal edition releases that Red Hat will no longer be supporting, as of April 2004, Progeny, an excellent Linux services company, has already announced that it will support RH 7.3 through RH 9.0 when official Red Hat support ceases for these product lines.

This is one of the most useful threads I have read!

We aim to please!
 

Many of us try hard to share our personal experiences and also what we've read. Glad to hear you've found this thread useful!

So then what Red Hat is basically saying is to hell with you all from RH 9 down, Were movin on and you are all staying OR Paying!!! This is how i read what RH is doing!!!........:mad:

I beg to disagree, because you still have the Fedora Project distribution, which, as I understand, is what the free Red Hat distro used to be (with another name to avoid confusion with paying customers). The problem is that it seems the people who got confused were the loyal Free Red Hat users and not their paying customers! For crying out loud, Red Hat is behind the Fedora Project, they simply split thier maket targets and that included a change in the name of the different products they offered, hence the usual free distribution changed its name to Fedora, because the name "Red Hat" is unavoidably linked to the company. So the company still supports the Open Source community whith their distribution, just it got its name changed...

my :twocents:

Redhat used to support automatic updates via the redhatnetwork and seems to have stopped since releasing fedora. Does fedora provide the automatic package updates redhat 9 once did?

Boy, I wish people would just READ the Fedora Web site, or just download and install it, or just do SOMETHING except keep this thread going around in circles. It's been, what? Six months now since this thing has been announced?

Fedora is BETTER than Red Hat 10 ever would have been. WHY? BECAUSE it's NOT an official release of a "commercial" product. It is cutting edge, fast paced, and FULL SUPPORTED...just not "officially." What this means is: If you are in a BUSINESS running a network of Linux Computers, you will probably be running Red Hat Enterprise, SuSE, or some other "official" release. But for everyone else (us) we get a GREAT distribution....TONS of updates of WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE for FREE (remember RHN?...don't need that anymore)...and a lot of NEW stuff (Like yum and apt support with a zillion possibilities).

So, for ALL of the people who keep saying that Red Hat has "screwed" or "abandoned" us, it's just not true. In actuality, they have given, and I'll emphasize that word again, GIVEN us something BETTER!

I am now running Fedora Core 1 (since November 5th) and have not had ONE PROBLEM..and it is better than the previous Red Hat 9. I have had ALL OF THE SECURITY UPDATES and fixes that would have been provided on RH9 and a lot more.

Please just check it out. This was a GOOD thing...and I'm excited to put Fedora Core 2 Test 1 on my test machine in a week or two when it comes out! See? Also, if you are interested in news and support, check out http://www.fedoranews.org and read the newsletters that are published there....or check out Fedorazine, or check out Fedora.us and see how much support and software is available out there.

I'm sorry for ranting, but this is a really great thing.....I have now tried Debian, a couple of BSD's, Slackware, and I am running FEDORA on my "main" machine? Why? Because it's good!

So, Red Hat (the company) wants to actually SELL something...ENTERPRISE Linux....I think that's GREAT.

They are also sponsering a TOTALLY FREE CUTTING EDGE UNOFFICIALLY, but SUPPORTED project called Fedora. OK...walk away if you want...I'm in and having a GREAT time...why don't you join in?

Oh, sorry, to answer the question directly...yes, there are several mirrors that carry released updates as yum channels that work through the up2date application, just like with Red Hat Network. The official repositories are kind of slow, so use a mirror.

Thanks for a direct response.

We are in the process of becoming an official mirror also.

--jeremy

w00t!

That'll be really nice!
 

That will be really nice! I've got to change my access site to a mirror site. The last time I downloaded some changes, I was getting throughput on the order of 18 KBs, rather than 218 KBs or more.

Firstly, I wanna say I have read the above posts. Yeah! Very informative. Now I would like to see if I can't follow what I was trying to find out yesterday. With the 'closing' of RHEL and the replacement that seems to be the Fedora project and the fighting between sco/IBM and (oddly) M$ and IBM, does anyone see a threat or hindrance to the Fedora projects future? I just feel that the decision in Red Hat's case shows a negative trend that needs help. I feel this because so many things still just don't work and I really want to see Linux become a full personal desktop OS and a true doz competitor. That said, I'd like to point out -as I'm sure everyone knows- that M$ fighting with IBM over cross app issues seems idiotic in the light of how many IBM PCs ship with XP... just my :twocents:

I have 5 more days to purchase Redhat Enterprise Linux for half price. I'm trying to get to a final decision as to whether to buy or use Fedora. I downloaded and installed Fedora on another computer and got the up2date working nicely. I can't really think of a good reason to purchase Enterprise Linux, except that my wife keeps telling me to stick with the more stable and supported product.

I've been using Linux for 2 months and have learned quite a bit and have been able to get done everything that I am convinced is possible, but would hate to lose out on the half price deal if Fedora isn't the way to go. The biggest reason I can find to go with Fedora is that there seem to be oodles of RPM's and such available for Fedora and older versions of Redhat, but not much of anything for Enterprise.

Thoughts????

In my opinion FC is an ideal distribution for Home users, because (amongst other things) what you already said about the availability of programs and community support. However, Enterprise Linux is more aimed towards corporative clients and as such the need for a centralized support solution (when the IT personnel has to attend to other things rather than user troubles). Basically what I'm trying to say here is what will be the primary use for the computer where you will install Linux onto... Once you answer (to yourself) that, you may take a more accurate decision as to which distro suits better your needs.

Just pick another Linux distro :)

you can install ximian desktop on redhat 9 officially. I like ximian desktop. :)

yay.. first post... *waves*
:newbie:

my question...
is this Fedora thing advisable for somone who has pretty much NO experience of linux at all?
dose it install as easily as Red Hat 9 (which is my other option).

a bit more info...
Im intrested in using linux as my main operating system again because of the aGNUla linux audio production project and on there site they say that 2.0 of there system will run on the Fedora Core.

my computer is a hidiously shambolic self built pain in the but, however, i have run linux beafore (red hat 4.. then suse 3) back when i was very young.. but in my youthful exuberence i got bord... and i didnt know what i was doing anyway... this time i'm going to get it right!

any other aGNUla users out there who whould like to share some experience.. please do :)

Linux keeps getting easier to install and maintain. The Fedora version is easier to work with than RedHat 9, which is no longer supported. There are all kinds of apt installations and RPM's available, plus you can get really good help at this site.

Absolutely, Fedora es quite newbie friendly... and as many other things in Linux, depending on what do you expect from the system... You can do pretty much the same in any Linux distribution, the differences is the ways and paths uses to achieve the same thing... Also another influential factor is your previous knowledge of computers, especially the Windows Operating System, although nowadays you may find Windows and Linux (thanks to the graphical interfaces) pretty similar, the way they both work "under the hood" is quite different, and as such you may hit agains a brick wall when you are used to do some things in a certain way in Windows and find out that in Linux the same is done quite differently or not done at all... keep that in mind to decrease the degree of frustration ;)

"the way they both work "under the hood" is quite different"

are there any sites, that use nice pictures and diagrams to run through the basics... i remember getting very confused with the structure of the filesystem espically... .
. ill go check the fedora site again...
... nope.... nothing so userfriendly *cries*

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...threadid=65331

^found it....

im begining to realise... if it aint on this site... it probably dosent exist :P

:) good...

if i'm going to switch to Fedora which is supported, do i still need to update my nvidia drivers? :( this is my frustration as of now. it's all pain that i can't get this driver to wok :cry:

Why switch to livna.org's Nvidia driver RPM?
http://rpm.livna.org/livna-switcher.html

I use Fedora quite happily, and about your nVidia driver, I don't have any idea what you're talking about.

RedHat9 is Dead! Down with RedHat?
 

Do you feel Red$hat upon?

It seems that RedHat developed a free productwith the aid of a enourmous user base, and then made that product a commercial one by withdrawing support, just at the stage when Red Hat reached a stage when it could compete with M$.

Some claim that the Fedora project is just a name change of RedHat free distribution. But it says repeatedly on the site that the Fedora project is "bleeding edge."

RedHat9 is not bleeding edge at all. If Fedora is bleeding edge and advancing fast it will not be suitable, methinks, for a challenged user like me.

Relatedly, Fedora seems to have considerably Redhat control. Redhat developed a free product with the help of a large user base and then moved over to a commercial licence just when they reached a desk-top user friendly standard. It seems clear that having developed a good product they want to make money out of it. It would stand to reason therefore, that they are not going to want there to be a free competing product. My guess is that
1) They will deliberately provide just enough support to allow it to be, as they say, "bleeding edge,"
2) They will continue to "aid the advance" of Fedora Core at such a pace that it is always pleasurable to those with knowledge, and always a bit too risky for those without.
So that those clever people (nerds,with respect) that CAN fuel development will get their OS free. While those that cannot (newbies, the challenged) will still have to pay, like at M$.

And fair enough? Why should newbies, read freeloaders, get anything free? Open Source is, or should be, perhaps Free as in Freeloaders pay.

Incidentally, the price of M$ XP at ebay (which comes with free support) seems to be less than the price of RH support.

what they are saying or what they are not saying, one thing is for sure.... they are making money at about $25 U.S. per share... i wish Mandrake could say that....

- perry

in other words, r u saying that downloading RH9 and spending all day trying to install it has been a waste of time ?????

- perry

No, he's saying FC1 is a more advanced distro than RH 9, similar in most ways, but radically different in others (namely philosophy)... If you can get RH9 to install, great! RH9 (IMO) was the BEST [free] RH ever. FC just follows those steps and takes what RH9 did for the desktop a step further. If you ever install FC2, in the installation screens, you'll see a THANKING message from Red Hat...

hmmmm, thats pretty interesting.... but as we speak, up2date is on it's maiden run on my machine and i have honestly not seen anything run as smooth as this installation. true, my sound card, while fully detected, is not operating but thats about it (i strongly expect the updates to take care of it). and the speed of the machine, i don't know if it's part of a brand new installation, if both mandrake and slackware had both this effect when i first installed them, but i'm finding my brand new red hat 9 installation to be the most solid thing i've seen to date. and to think, that i use to think that somehow, red hat was 2nd place in the desktop catagory. i take all that back at the moment....

so far so good on RH9, i'll keep you all posted!

- perry

/me whispers: About the sound problem, go get the ALSA drivers, they work just fine in RH9 (and dpending on your card) most probably have your card fully supported.

where do i find the ALSA drivers ?

in the meantime, i writing to you now from my brand spanking new RH9 installation with all the updates applied.

looking really good - now for the sound card

boy, RH is really starting to spoil me, isn't great to have so many options under Linux!

- perry

Update! my guess on applying all the patches and then running the Sound Detection (which was right in the menu) worked!!!!

No more trouble than that - Ok Ok - Red Hat 9 now gets the Gold Medal for ease of installation and performance....

I'm one spoiled man!

- perry

ps.
i'll be sure to let you know of my first siezure when something doesn't go right...

Hehe... Here you can get the drivers

ok, now how to get a past the XMMS licensing issues.... it appears RH has removed mpeg ability from XMMS, how do i get around this...

any takers

- perry

/me says shrike.freshrpms.net (search for the xmms-mp3 plugin)

:scratch: I have learned so much about linux today that my head is about to explode.

OK:)

In our school we have RedHat Computers. The V8 is ok, but V9 is shit. It use too much ressources!

I am stopping this thread. It was opened to explain the differences between the RH forum and the Fedora forum. It has been hijacked.