Puppy Linux Forum & PLUG Now Open!
 

I am pleased to announce the first and only PLUG which I registered today with the domain name: www.puppylinuxusersgroup.org

At this point in time I can only say that my plans for this domain name and any site I may construct are nebulous.

I can say however that there are few who can make the claim with more justification than I that I’m not part of the Puppy Linux “inner circle”. In this respect I am uniquely qualified to represent the needs of average users.

Note that as of this writing there are no websites associated with any of the DN I registered for this task therefore if you attempt to visit you will be taken to a parking page at my registrar.

I hope mods will take into consideration that I rarely post here and am unsure if this is the appropriate place for my announcement. Thank You.

EDIT 1: I have converted this from an announcement to a call for suggestions. Please see post #6 in this thread for more information. Thank you for your input

EDIT 2: On 6/4/2011 I registered an additional domain name that will point to the PLUG: www.puppyusersgroup.org

I would like to thank Puppyluvr for suggesting this name to me.

EDIT 3 ANNOUNCEMENT: On 7/26/2011 Puppy Linux Forum opened it's doors.

good news, good luck and good riddance :tisk::hattip: to the old lame site!!

best news is i won't have to deal with aitch or canari types anymore lmao

or waste time with jmurga and his loser buds

cheers:D

nah not to worry, plenty more of that, but if you wanna argue the point, be my guest.:hattip:

i'll even stay out of it:)

where art thou gn2 long ago banned for reasons only known to the then (and still around) current powers at be??

Hey you guys:

Whatever your problems might have been over at the murga site, opening another forum on Puppy will remain a futile attempt. You may compare this site here with murgalinux and you know, what I mean.

I like to be sarcastic and politically incorrect at times, where it fits and to those who deserve it.

But...there are forums for that kind of exchange abound. Does one have to exercise one's ego on a purely computer related site? Does one have to stick to a once chosen nick? Can one not behave civilized under a new nick?

Your call, I am just thinking out loud.

My idea to go forward with a PLUG was inspired by a thread started by a dev (WhoDo) at the Puppy forum titled A single voice to speak for Puppy. If you read it you’ll see he made a public call for others to make it reality.

At this point in time my idea of how to implement a PLUG is so new as to be little more than a daydream, RE: I want to do it but that’s about all I know. All I can say is that I don’t see it as a forum per se. For this particular task I don’t think a forum would cut it, forums tend to be too chaotic. I think it will take a different type of mechanism to gather and collate input from users concerning their wants and needs about the Future of Puppy Linux.

When I made this thread I didn’t expect to be calling for suggestions but now that I think about it why not? I’m open to any and all suggestions about what type of site might fit the bill. Does anyone here have any ideas about how to tackle this challenge? Maybe someone knows of a website I could use as a model or starting point? What say you?

the murga forum is done like dinner, matter of fact it was over awhile ago except perhaps to zombies

futile? dude, forums are a dime a dozen and when run the murga way inevitably implode on their own

and for the record i have nothing to do with what's going on there right now that clearly has been in the works for some time except of course to the gullible and ignorant

puppyite can speak for himself but i highly doubt he's in on it

it's a sorry mess

cheers

my position stands, the fact that plug is an idea from whodo means i am totally against it or have any desire to be associated with it

and you are in lala land, best run home to your beloved murga site and deal with the unfolding implosion

jonyo,

I can’t speak with you here. Also OT conversations in threads are strictly (how I read it) forbidden per forum rules.

I have enabled receipt of email from forum members. To send me email login, click my username in any of my posts, then click: Send email to puppyite

Or visit my site and use the Contact page.

in the interest of puppy having any real credibility from this point forward and at the risk of fading into oblivion

all ties with the murga forums MUST be severed in the clearest possible way by anyone who is serious about promoting pup in a positive way

regardless of who is able to offer alternative options or forums with democracy

here is an example
http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/

the murga forums have been a joke to the mainstream linux world for some time and at best, give puppy a limiting popularity

not to mention many who wouldn't even consider pup due to the dysfunctional and pathetic nature of the main forum

here is some history
http://www.computerbob.com/wp/helpin...ors-part-8.php

I read the open governance page, in some ways it’s similar to the proposal I made for a governing council for Puppy Linux. My idea was soundly rejected by the powers that be and in retaliation for my suggestion a lynch mob of the regulars was permitted to attack me.

But what I’m calling for now is ideas about how to gather and collate input from Puppy Linux users. That’s very different from governing the path of a distro, I’m not a dev and I don’t have a distro.

Clearly, a number of you are unhappy with specific people in the Puppy community. That's fine, however the comments are massively off-topic and should be raised on a blog rather than a forum. If you wish to continue discussing the direction for your new forum that's fine, but rehashing problems encountered on a different forum or community isn't something we want to see here.

XavierP,
Speaking only for myself I can say that in future I will have no problem whatsoever with staying on topic.

hey puppyite, frankly, i'm disgusted with puppy and want nothing to do with the distro in the state it is currently in,

they made the problems and they have to fix them

waste of time for me

i'd have to see a clear change in direction from the creator (or others) to have any future interest

as far as i'm concerned, computerbob and others were right on the money with what they had to say, all of it years ago

computerbob said it best
they can have fun and play their games with each other, one day some folks might get serious

good luck

ps apologies to the mod(s) here for having broken any rules, i did not read them,

in some forums you deal with what you have whereas a positive forum takes care of itself

best for all of linux, that folks know or have some idea what they might be getting involved in, with any particular distro

@jonyo - as you can see from the posts above yours, this thread needs to be kept on topic - this means discussion about the direction that the new group will take. I accept that you have issues with both the Puppy devs and with other Puppy forums, but this is not the arena for those grievances: you should take them up directly with those people.

I have a third domain name which I am holding in reserve in case I fail to find an alternative method for collecting input from users concerning the Future of Puppy Linux.

www.puppylinuxforum.org

Note that as of this writing there are no websites associated with any of the DN I registered for this task therefore if you attempt to visit you will be taken to a parking page at my registrar.

here's my bottom line, as long as bk is associated with murga and unless there is a clear statement that all ties are over, i'm done with puppy

i'm not wasting time trying to promote something with others who are clearly goofing around, mostly for their own purposes/agendas or other limiting reasons,

nor do i have any desire to be associated with such

@jonyo - I have asked recently, please stop taking this thread off topic. This thread is to discuss a new Puppy forum started by Puppyite. If you have issues with murga take it up with them, we are not associated with murga and there is nothing we can do for whatever your issues are.

Puppyite,
Have you got a basic outline of what you would like your site to be?
IOW, are you thinking along the lines of a forum or a blog?
Do you have some possible choices as to the software you will use?
Are you going to implement polls as to giving the users of this group a
voice in what they would like to see.
It would not, by the way have to be a straight yes/no poll.
It could be a scaled poll as to how much the person using the poll would
like to see some feature implemented or left out.

Also, would you have in place a system with warnings to keep the discussions
clean or else?

I have to wonder about the motivation for your post considering what you’ve said but I’ll go with it as long as you remain positive.

As to this post, I’ve already asked myself all the same questions you ask so my reply reflects my current ruminations and not a firm plan of action.

I have goals. After I create a workable plan that satisfies my vision I will make it reality.

Not a blog, maybe a forum, or maybe two sites, one to collect input about the Future of Puppy Linux and a forum. I will select the solution that best fulfills both objectives (polling and helping users get answers about Puppy Linux). Also if I use two sites there is the problem of how to make certain that John Doe on the forum is the same John Doe who creates a poll on the polling site. I don’t yet know what the solution is but I’m working on it.

Anything that is free and well supported is possible both forum and polling software.

Yes, this is mandatory.

I know, I’ve seen branching poll software such as LimeSurvey. Problem is how to let the public (those who sign up) create their own polls without them being able to edit other peoples polls. I have yet to figure this out and therefore makes me wonder if a forum alone would be the solution. Unfortunately though AFAIK forums don't have branching polls.

Yes, but IMO that isn’t the best or only guidance mechanism. I’m not interested in being a forum cop.

I believe if I define the goals well enough so that the public understands them they will participate constructively and the site(s) will operate on autopilot, that’s the goal, time will tell.

Puppyite, both you and me are Puppy users. Since some two years Puppy is the Linux that I use. Sure I do ahve Knoppix and TinyCore and Proteus on my boot list but I am exclusively a Puppy user so I am the target for this part of the forum as I get it.

Having read through this thread two times I get that the most important for you is this

the Future of Puppy Linux.

What you have in mind can change by time but as I remember you care for Puppy to be something that many like and use.

May I ask something that is a frequent topic when a Linux reviewer test the latest Puppy.

Them almost always complain about Puppy getting booted automatically as root.

Puppy being a single user linux.

Is that part of the the Future of Puppy Linux. You have any idea about any need to Puppy to change there?

I've wondered much about this being root but unfortunately I am no Dev and does not have the needed knowledge to know how to implement multi user capabilities to Puppy. And from what I have read it is not easy at all. Takes weeks of programming 24/7 and very few are motivated to give it that much effort.

I am curious on your views on this. Sure I can do a search and see if you have shared your views on this elsewhere but I want to relate this to this thread here and now.

Root is that part of the the Future of Puppy Linux. thing you set up? Have you any Dev willing to put that much effort into changing that feature?

Honest request to get your views on this issue. In case you wonder. I am using Puppy due to it allow me to be root. I am so computer challenged that that is my way to use linux at all.

nooby,
I can’t answer your question as it would drag the discussion away from the OP.

If and when I get my user group - forum - polling site setup you can voice your desires there.

Until then the only unregulated venue I could suggest where we could discuss the root question is this. Just be sure to start a new thread.

EDIT: Just to be clear, there is very little “if” about my intention to build a new community for Puppy Linux.

In terms of id validation, you could use something like OpenID to ensure that johndoe.pip.whatever on the News(?) site s that same as the JohDoe on the forum - there are a few single sign on options you could use.

In terms of your forum, I would say that you need a clear set of rules and a strong and trusted moderation team who will put in the time to enforce them - oh, and a good anti-spam filter :).

XavierP,
Thanks for your input, I agree with you, RE: mods, rules, spam filter. I’ll take a look at OpenID. I’m still weighing my options about software solutions.

I have my first moderator (and I don’t even have a site up yet).

My Mission Statement and Rule Set is finished. However It won’t be available for public dissemination until I post it on my site.

About the Mission Statement: I think people will engage and participate constructively if they understand the concept and it’s goals. I intend my site to be a complete departure from previous forums - communities.

I once posted a photo of my hands on the Puppy Linux Wiki where I was an admin, the caption read: “With these hands I shape countless destinies, including my own.” Once again I am preparing to do just that.

great to hear and i fully agree with the great importance of starting with a clear mission statement, the wording of which should be decided by all (or a majority)

defining what the forum will be about and in which direction it intends to go forward with should be crystal clear from the outset

my suggestions for topics is a name change for the distro and a clear break/separation from pup as it is/was

there's just too much baggage there that folks are unwilling or able to deal with, one being perception by others, security issues etc.. not to mention the limitations of fixed mindsets that goes hand in hand with being dictated to

a few repeating mind numbing themes, who also only allow themselves to make important decisions, with no rhyme or reason and at whims, will never beat numbers and facts, or even open debate not to mention inviting the will of the majority

you are organized and with a clear purpose/direction or not

open up the forum for productive discussion and debate, with rules and order that are know and enforced, take the fabulous bits available and move forward from there

for the record, puppyite and i have had no personal discussion (outsida forums) as to recent developments, he speaks for himself as do i

rules? my kids should feel free to come to a linux forum and not read garbage

i come to a linux forum mainly to talk, share, learn about THE OS, and move forward (fix, improve, tests and more tests), chit chat is a waste of time and can be sought out elsewhere, or as defined by the forum

for the record i salute puppyite for his efforts here

some may know that my involvement (along with many others over time) with puppy in an active way ended some time ago due to glaring issues and before i heard or was aware of puppyite

since that time i have glanced at developments (4x series etc) which clearly became more and very problematic, except perhaps to the inmates

i have observed from a distance that there were issues with puppyite, but there were many others prior to him, while other cheerleader types, more often than not at odds with each other could do or say as they pleased hmmmmmm

frankly, dunno what the fuss is all about when it comes to puppyite, after all he is only one man expressing himself,

but he (my take anyway) is also certainly not alone in being fed up or turned off by a long time embedded and in many ways very negative status quo

in fact what is going on now has also been attempted years ago and is nothing new,

at the time, the wrong people (imo) were involved or it just didn't work, but the festering issues where there and the same

freedom rules and always will

bottom line for all is a split can be friendly or hostile and given the situation hostile it will be, as it always was anyway

I'm not only done with the murga puppy forum, but they or certainly a few that run the show are in the habit of banning dissent at will, or at least by the unexplained whims of a few, cutting off all further input from the affected

thx for allowing discussion here and feel free to conduct your forums or my posts as you wish

i have no issue with the importance of staying on a topic or enforcing it as you see fit, though i think you would agree there can sometimes be grey areas

i doubt there can be a full discussion of where the proposed forum is headed without input from where the existing forum is (or was) currently at

perhaps you can establish your rules here and a fully open discussion can take place in the new forums

here are the latest comments from their own discussion/site

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/vie...=532859#532859

give the user an easy option or choice to put the matter to rest

and not be part of yet another rootfest that takes away from the many other wonders and options of pup

not point in wasting time with pup if all you end up hearing about is root

i have no doubt new folks will get interested in pup when they see that there is a new direction, starting with a basic understanding of how significant a positive, open minded and inclusive forum is to a distro

with a clear direction and purpose

not to mention folks who have no interest in the old forums or being associated with it

my understanding is the former developer of studio pup was also not a happy camper with status quo, for example

as well, some highly experienced people have also expressed displeasure with the old forums, and for some time now

Any news on this project? I have not been able to access any of the sites linked to by puppyite. Is it usual for open source distro forums and wiki's to require personal email contact before allowing access? Do you have a new version of puppy linux to release? I am looking forward to it! I'm new to all this linux stuff. Hello everyone! LaserShark.

me and my pals are also anxious to get the ball rolling, any news on the forums?

i am also thrilled at having been dumped from the sinking good ship murga after having contributed ~ 2700 postings over there,
most of it some time ago when new to linux and before knowing better..

or should i say a sinking sub heading for an impressive and inevitable implosion lol of their own making,

dumped without having any personal contact from the admins and virtually no public explanation other than murga said, thinks and rules

you can't do a wrong thing right

what's in a name? lots

and lotsa folks think naming a distro puppy is silly, as in something cute and cuddly to play with, small things amuse small minds etc..

but as in real life, little puppy grows up then you reap what you sowed, ..or puppy will certainly let you know what the real deal is

so imo, a new direction must include a clear separation and new name

for consideration k9, wolf, coyote, fox etc

~ to maintain some roots

anyone?

the founder should be given an opportunity to make his murga intentions known and if sticking with murga, well, i have no further use or interest in him

i also am with puppyite in his clear communications that the association with ubuntu is an excellent idea that should be fully explored and developed

it would be great to have an inviting, inclusive forum for their experienced folks, or for anyone else with a positive attitude

i have no use for folks with stinkin thinkin or other issues more important to themselves than the distro

perhaps they could play in a off topic playground for kiddies

there are plenty of other places on the net to indulge in whatever detracts from or is more important to whoever than the distro

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtop...=533927#533927

jonyo = luciferbug

you may now delete lasershark's account. thankyou.

i have no sockpuppets in the murga forums of which i am done with, dude, the murga forums was a breeding ground for making enemies over the years

if you are that shallow, whoever you are, good riddance

i speak for myself only and am not involved with whoever is doing what in the murga forums now

it is fun to watch tho

the murga forum is simply imploding on its own self inflicted misery and no one even has to lift a finger at this point

but other folks do what they have to do and i could care less

my focus is the now and future, what's done is done and i mostly left the sinking murga ship long ago

and i don't even care much what might develop here on from puppy

mostly watching to see where it might go and could easily drop out on a whim

this is puppyite's show or push, of whom i also have had no personal contact regarding his ideas or what he is up to

You have quite a distinctive linguistic style, jonyo. You give yourself away too easily. Peace.

and i know what i know and that you are babbling, good riddance

i'll repeat, i have no sockpuppets or have ever had any in the murga forums

or can i be bothered participating in with what folks are doing there

doesn't surprise me at all that others wanna do their thing tho but i'm not associated with them

i don't care what conclusions you or your type might come to

and if the murga forums have a sockpuppet problem, which clearly they do, that is their problem and i could care less

they brought it on themselves and they have to deal with it

i wouldn't even click on links there, in my short recent venture there, posts from high profile players lead to porn links

wouldn't even be surprised if the forum is hacked

edit- dunno who this luciferbug is but i must say he/she/they?? are good and playing them well like the amateur fiddlers that they are (*** see below)

the bottom line is a forum is responsible and accountable for itself and what happens there, or anything that can be read and easily linked to, particularly if serious about representing a linux distro to a worldwide audience, iow, take care of biz or someone else will

it is also refreshing to participate here in a well moderated forum, where there is a clear understanding of the basics and fundamental prime importance of keeping on topic to the original OP

i'm surprised there have not been more attempts thus far to derail this thread, but i doubt if it is even attempted further, that it will go anywhere

and even if this thread has to be moderated further or even locked for whatever reason, i fully expect there will be another forum up and running soon

(***)last edit - this comment by luciferbug in the murga forums is hilarious,

"I got no prob with mods.. they do best they can with just good old common sense... what say we close this thread and be glad we got it so good?"

he/she of course knows that is ridiculous if not preposterous but is encouraging it lol

i'm not even gonna bother linking it, you folks can figure it out for yourselves, as well, lasershark has already provided a link (above) to the (yet another ridiculous) thread that started with discussion about simple moderation, and is now all over the place including moved posts and who knows what else, gee, what a surprise

@Lasershark - we at LQ sympathise with Murga if they have problems with sockpuppetry, spam links and the like. However, as well as there being naff all we can do about it, we're not really interested in discussing it. Murga's problems are Murga's problems. As noted above, and as was being followed up until incredibly recently, this thread is to discuss Puppyite's new forum so please do not derail it.

i would just like to thank XavierP, who clearly has experience and quality skills as a mod, and has quickly set a tone here for the inevitable, who knows what bs from whom spilling out from the other place, which has clearly been a mess for some time and is currently in disarray

i don't expect to see anyone from the other place to be able to function here, or able to deal with or discuss basic issues let alone stay on a topic

particularly having to do with opinions and issues regarding moving forward

nobody seems to even have much to say about the topic, let alone show some coherency..

"this thread is to discuss Puppyite's new forum"

..where there are rules in effect and yet there are ~ 30k registered members in the other forum and puppy has recently been ranked ~ #8 at distrowatch

and to top it off, anyone is still free to speak here

it is a clear and sharp contrast between quality here and dealing with a simple topic/getting something done, vs the opposite elsewhere

edit - for anyone who can be bothered figuring it out, but wants a good laugh, this latest comment over there to a new mod (a poor choice to begin with, an untested rookie known to go on aimless thread rants of his own, wreaking his own new havoc etc ) by yet another sockpuppet (who is working against them) is hilarious lol

"That seems like a first rate tactic and a prospective winning strategy."

What the New Puppy Linux Forum will and will not be:

The New Puppy Linux Forum will not be a breeding ground for hate speech against individuals, religions, governments, anyone or anything. All of which are in evidence on the murga-linux forum on a daily basis both in and out of the euphemistically named “Truly off-topic” section.

If you doubt what I say about the culture of murga-linux here is a direct quote from Flash one of their longest serving admins:

You can read this to mean that rules just get in the way of allowing your crony buddies from saying whatever they wish and at the same time instilling fear in the lower classes about what will get them banned.

And the most damming evidence of all about the culture of antipathy cultivated at murga-linux comes from John de Murga (a.k.a. John Murga) (a.k.a. Judge Dredd as his avatar suggests) owner of said forum:

Excuse me? Friends AND enemies? Why would you want to foster the creation of enemies John let alone create a place where they could attack one another or anything else they please?

Both of the above comments are found in a thread purportedly created to announce my new users group - New Puppy Linux Forum (a thread created after my ban from murga-linux).

And in that thread when the good citizens of murga-linux “Community” tired of deriding me and my ideas and when the thread went seriously off topic as treads always do there they set about to discuss the possibility of posting rules that people could read and understand, the inevitable result of which was DOA.

All of the above leads me to define what the New Puppy Linux Forum will and will not be:

• It will be a place where people can ask for or give help with Puppy Linux.
  
• It will be a place where people can discuss The Future of Puppy Linux.
  
• It will be a place where developers can have public but “developer only” discussions about how best to craft Puppy Linux in response to users needs.
  
• It will have clearly posted rules and penalties for violations of said rules. These rules will apply equally to all members regardless of post count, join date, or most importantly privileged status. No one save myself will have privileged status in my community and I will only use that status for the greater good and not my personal aggrandizement.
  
• It will be a place where people can have friendly personal discussions away from technical topics and not in a cesspool called “Truly off-topic”, or like murga-linux as a whole, a place where thread drift is king and attacks are a way of life for both members and staff alike.

In short the New Puppy Linux Forum will achieve everything the murga-linux forum has failed at.

Regards,
Puppyite

wonderful, what is being offered is focus, something that appeals to folks who like to get things done and not waste time with other mindless bs or riff raff

other than general and rare blurbs bordering on comical fantasies or murgaisms

the only written guideline (a murga quote) i'm aware of from the other place is

a link or links can be provided for the above but i can't be bothered and the mod here has spoken on linking directly over there..

so they now have to deal with what everyone can see is posts disappearing all over the place with a newly appointed mod

it is a 2 bit forum and amazing to me that no one is taking the owner to task and demanding answers

whatever goes on there reflects on everyone there as well as all of linux

and there is a ton of garbage there that can be had by anyone by just providing simple links

in the interest of discussing what a future forum will be about, ideally, comparisons with what was, good bad or ugly, and what will be can be covered to some extent and i would fully expect that in the new forums

however it is of course up to the admnins here to decide how far that may go or what latitude may be exercised

it is certainly understandable that a properly run forum, with a clear focus and purpose, has no interest in what is someone elses problem spilling over

Sounds like you have a clear steer for your forum. If you do have a history with the Murga forum you may well get an "invasion" by people who wish to continue whatever arguments were started there - my advice is to either have a stock response for them or to simply make sure that you do not respond in anger, stay calm and be polite and they will cease.

Best of luck with the new site.

it is amazing that of ~ 30k registered members, not even one known member has yet stepped up to the plate, to speak in defense, or rebuttal

but then again, if you had any history with the old, you would not be surprised at all

thx for tips, it is certainly an adjustment coming over here after having spent any time over there

and after everything that has developed up to this point, anyone can still speak here now, all i've seen is some mild moderation and a few locked posts that were dealt with quick as they should have been

you can have productive discussion with results or the opposite, given a choice, i prefer the former

you can't beat 'real' freedom of speech

i'm not sure what this means exactly but it does sound problematic,

off the top 'my' vs 'our' community
no one means no one etc

i'm not really worried about it at this point and i would expect that nothing is set in stone yet

i'll just suggest for now that it (and other stuff) can be wide open to interpretation that could mean many things, not to mention there may be no point in going into certain irrelevant areas

there is bound to be plenty of discussion on ALL aspects of moving forward including vitally important key wordings of mission statements and such

if it was me, i would would put forward and define goals, purpose, vision etc and be fully open to hear all opinions for productive discussion and debate that likely will only be touched on here

the founder said key words years ago that give direction, and in the fewest words of course

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=00417
whatever one may think of the murga forums, they have long time supporters and it is certainly rich in talent and experience, imo best to leave them do whatever they want there and focus on the new direction that includes anyone interested in another option, working with focus, clear rules and with an active say in the new direction

whatever forum issues they may have, they have contributed greatly to where puppy is at today

but as the situation currently stands, i personally have zero interest in and am in favor of not being associated with the murga forums in any way whatsoever

this could perhaps be communicated in the mission statement where it is made very clear, and without emotion

About “My” community:

It will be my community because I pay the hosting bill.

It will be my community because I am the site admin.

It will be my community because I am the arbiter of what is and is not acceptable behavior.

It will be my community because it’s members will look to me to be a strong leader and set an example for all to see.

It will be my community because a forum cannot be run as a democracy. Though I am equally sure that the Future of Puppy Linux can and should be decided democratically by users.

Every day I will ask myself if I did the right thing for my community and it’s members and every day I will answer: “That depends on who you ask”. With that knowledge, I will wear my crown, if crown it be, upon a troubled brow.

A forum should be a limited dictatorship - since the forum owner will be the one who gets a knock at the door from a law enforcement tank if there is anything illegal on the boards!

well much remains to be seen but it is at least probably clear, that this is a push led mainly by puppyite and others he knows

i'll say one last time that to date, we have had no personal contact regarding these devellopements

at this point i am fully in support of a new direction and we shall see what develops

i wouldn't be surprised to see others also taking their own initiatives, not that i am involved or even interested myself other than offering opinions and support if something appeals to me

my main motivation is that i started from scratch mostly with puppulinux and given circumstances that work for me, i would certainly like to contribute

whatever the murga forums are or were, there were certainly exceptional folks involved that helped me greatly in the time i spent there,

they know who they are and at one time i could have easily included whodo

but being brand new to something is very different from being involved and years going by, and i have seen many good people leave for obvious reasons

a distro and forum must be appealing to new folks from the get go, and cover those bases well

even when or if established, it doesn't take much for all of it to fall apart, there are always other options out there

it's adapt because someone else surely will, and i would be seeking all available input before firming up on anything

in the end, the numbers always decide the who, what and why, one way or another

here are my final words to puppylinux and the murga forums

don't even dream of a release at distrowatch before addressing YOUR issues first, which i highly doubt will happen

thx to LQ for demonstrating a positive, helpful and professional forum, where you have focus and can get results

and good luck to the folks who move forward with a new distro and philosophy using the unique and in many ways brilliant bits and concepts available

freedom rules as does the www

watch what you ask for where you can easily be publicly banned on a whim, without recourse or any valid explanation given other than vague blurbs, or even an opportunity to speak on the issue,

in my case after having contributed ~ 2700 posts, with no personal contact from any admin ever over any posting issues,

for speaking your mind with vague rules as i understood them and yet continue to read or link to all manner of other nonsense that has nothing to do with a productive activity, let alone a distro

i could of course link to stuff (and more bs), but that would just be more of a waste of everyones' time and everyone has to figure stuff out for themselves anyway

distrowatch and other venues also certainly remain as options

some folks or pretenders who dream of getting their act together might look at what folks here have to say..

congrats to LQ!!
that's what you get with folks who know what they are doing and what they are about

clearly, a team that has the greatest respect for their membership, their role and importance

in comparison, the puppylinux forums are a joke (well documented and known), and the biggest obstacle to any distro, that desires to move forward

without a doubt, there are folks who will move forward with what pup was, and a positive focused supporting forum is the key

you get what you ask for, particularly with riff raff or self appointed nobodies