one of my faves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UcQDUR-fU&feature=fvsr
edit - (ha ha wrong band)

few others
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQVeaIHWWck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEllLECo4OM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQTTFUtMSvQ

piano man myself ..luuuuv music

edit - had a look at what playdayz has to say, dude is in la la land

anything you folks (over there) put out at distrowatch before you deal with your issues, which is a lost cause, will get roasted

and my suggestion is fogetaboutiit
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some comedy from someone who takes issues with perfectionism in others

"I defend vigorously, but I hope not badly - I always cover points as here, with respect to the poster"

you don't have a clue about respect but of course you ALWAYS cover points with respect to the poster ..duhhhh

please don't stop talking, the comedy is wonderful

ps to mods here, just some stuff for over there that i hope is irrelevant here, easy google tho if anyone is interested
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just some quotes
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"Maybe there is some misunderstanding going on...? ......this seems to be a 3rd or maybe 4th start for PLUG
What is the point of this vote?"
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"I have done 'outreach PMs' as well as asking for help on the forum, but many people don't quite seem to have grasped, that there isn't a team of people working on this anymore.......there is, to all intents and purposes just me........in case anyone hasn't noticed

What else am I to do?"
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"Personal note: Sole comment as a result of recent events - I am sad that we seem to have lost the input, energy and enthusiasm of 2 users who worked quite hard at achieving the 1st PLUG, and who may have copped undue blame for those events - I hope for reconciliation/reconsideration
I would hope they can still come back as valued members of the team We have a huge task to do, and as of right now, there's just my bit of energy - help!"
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"This is MY last attempt at getting something done, then I'm going to take a break.......pushing water uphill is just not my idea of fun"
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"You, the bridge-builder, are saying this? People not (yet) convinced of the necessity of the PLUG are either being apathetic or negative?? That's not a very good start of communications..No one in these discussions can be accused of either being apathetic or negative! if you think otherwise, just show us one example of apathy or negativity.. All I see in the reactions so far, is people who really care about Puppy Linux and people grateful for what we have and not very willing to give up this spontaneously growing and flourishing forum."
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"You recommend us, who don't yet understand your higher goals, to read a book on organization??
I can give you at least ten book titles in same direction and it would only add to the confusion. Nothing is more decentralized than the existing Puppy Forum. And yes,there is leadership and authority here. It is accepted, because talent and hard work are respected by all involved. This already is WhoDo's meritocracy. (Or Doocracy as he calls it, but I don't know how to spell that word)"
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who, do, what, when, where, how, wassay? innit? whatever?? lol ..i'm done with the above, it is their version of getting things done and has been the same from the get go

but heh, if it turns your crank, go ahead and dive in, and be sure to like a theme of ~ "it's like this" from johny the dict, the man of few words and a singular theme, "take it or leave it"

ya sure bud, ..uummm, get outa my life

cheers

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Puppy Linux Forum (and PLUG) Progress Report

In Process:

• Sub forums name selection and organization
• Sub forums mission statements and rule sets
  

Finished:

• Moderator training
• Forum graphics
• Main mission statement and rule set (rev2)
• Forum software configuration
• Forum administration training
• Dedicated moderator training site open (site 2)
• Dedicated forum modification test site open (site 1)

After above is finished the final steps in process of bringing site online will be to:

• Install forum software at my primary host (site 3)
• Configure / modify forum software to mirror established specifications
• Do a brief test
• Assign DN servers so public can access site

I estimate it will be two more weeks, maybe less, before I bring the Puppy Linux Forum online. Thank you for your patience, it will be rewarded!

PS: That narrative about the other forum is hilarious. Do please continue recounting about how not to run a forum.

my point is to have focus, you ideally have rules and order or you will have the opposite, i suggest order for the new forums and others can do as they like

i have no interest in being part of disorder unless perhaps there is no other choice

one interesting fact is there are ~ 30k members and there is a single poll being run (concerning PLUG) that i am aware of that started 14 Jul, so far there are ~ 16 votes

just some quotes

"After several starts, including a recent near massacre, John M has stated that he'll allow the forum to have a PLUG Section/sub-sections"

"....PLEASE come forward ....and take a bow , you're going in my soon to be posted 'Unsung Heroes List' - once I have added some more names! [Might even add Barry K and John M lol]"

Most of you already doing OS work, have testers/fans, so already have a user interface,

....but what don't you have time to say, or not want to post in your threads - how CAN we help you, if we don't know?

After all a dev cannot live by 'this doesn't work's alone....kudos is needed for maintaining energy and integrity, and people may simply not have come across your work"

"...I suggested that I understood what he was saying, but thought,

'Heck, has anyone actually asked? I don't recall seeing it recently....Lot's of theories, but DEV's views...?'"

"We either do nothing, or do something to try to clear up some of the mess already created, or simply add to it and wait for the inevitable
Any devs who can't see that coming, need to get away from their screens more often, IMHO"

"Only a top-level reorganization of priorities, goals and leadership would possibly allow for some sort of resolution to the problem."
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not what i'd call a well oiled machine humming

I see no reason to believe it will ever happen there. I do expect it will happen at Puppy Linux Forum where users are far more likely to have a "seat at the table".

So some people are “benevolent dictators” while others like myself who propose change are “despots”? If so then in my case it must be that virtue is in the eye of the beholder.

This question remains: Am I, Puppyite a despot (label given me in that other place) or a benevolent dictator?

IMO the soon to be opened Puppy Linux Forum will give proof that I am no despot but a “benevolent dictator” who’s one aim is the advancement of Puppy Linux.

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Puppyite,
I share your enthusiasm for Puppy and I look forward to your new forum.
I can see that you have already done a lot with your Puppy Linux FAQ site to help the users of Puppy.
Your passion is unbounded and I wish you the best with your new forum.
All the best,
8-bit

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the question is moot and irrelevant because of the author (at the other place), yet another chosen (or appointed by) johny boy who will probably have a meltdown like the first one, or just get fed up

more than anything, it reflects classic murga forums mentality, that has even recently been clearly stated: "take it or leave it" after which of course comes, 'or else'..

and gee, he is the new rah rah man rallying the troops

some folks are just into bs and can't get enuff, some even arguing how wonderful it is

I find the other place a complete turn off, it starts at the top and goes downhill from there, and is all over the net,

the issues were never addressed other that their sorry old theme of ~ it's not them, everyone else has it wrong, ya sure, duhhh, yada yada..

if your theme is a mess from the get go, the mess will come to roost and there is no fix cos the top dawgs like it

i noticed someone else opened up a forum, wouldn't be surprised to see more

my suggestion to all is, think for yourselves, and associate with like minded folks, otherwise you end up going with whatever flow you may be associated with

edit - oh gee ..more jewels..from 2 sides of the mouth
aitch said:
"I defend vigorously, but I hope not badly - I always cover points as here, with respect to the poster"

"Puppy support works best by not annoying users who like puppy as is, I find"
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rebuttal by forum member

"That is one scary, off-putting statement. I will disregard it since you certainly cannot speak for the entire community."
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ps anyone can google this stuff if interested further even just for facts, to not bring it directly over here with links and leave the problems mainly where they lay

thx again mods here for showing generous latitude in touching on some stuff here, covering it somewhat might prevent mistakes when desiring going in a new direction where it likely will be fully hashed out and sorted

before i was turfed, i asked many times "WHO OFFICIALLY" spoke for the community, as many who were speaking as though for someone were a complete turn off as above

AFAIK, there is no such person, mostly just a bunch of loose lips flapping, i would suggest that there should be a official spokesperson for the new direction, to officially address any issues that may arise out on the net or the larger linux community

rather that having a ~ who knows who is saying what or what or who they represent and who cares scenarios

2 key questions (or look to figure it out quick) for anyone getting involved with any distro is ~ what are they about and what do they stand for, saves all involved wasting time

my personal main issue was, no point in supporting a brilliant distro with great potential, that is also supported by a dysfunctional (or a mostly repeated train wrecks) forum and in effect takes away from that potential

to each his own though

heh, who cares about their beholder or what they babble on about (as far as taking it seriously), but good luck to those who do

anyone that doesn't see what's going on there, and for some time now, deserves to either be drawn in or already there

i've seen a ton of folks who have been around, ask a few questions, and they pretty much know right away whether they are interested in going any farther, just by how the forums present themselves, they can figure it out quick

if you (or a forum) are about "take it or leave", those are the kinda folks you will attract cos they like it, and i doubt are the best

whatever was said though, certainly does stand for the record, as a fact and with an author

duuno why you are associating yourself as a “benevolent dictator” and perhaps you would elaborate here? it will be something i'll be asking about right away

i'm not concerned about the 'despot' thing or expect much to get sorted here, or should it be the place, bottom line is you will have a presentation, and folks will decide if they are in or out, some of us quick

this part certainly appeals to me
your aim is one thing, getting folks on board is another

i expect "advancement of puppy" means many things to diff folks

and will be defined at some point

As the site owner, Puppyite will have to be the BDFL (Benevolent Dictator For Life) Basically, it's his name on the ownership documents and he will take a big portion of the blame if the members decide that they will do illegal things and use the site to organise them. As well, he will have to allow for limited free speech - simply because allowing full free speech will not make for a cohesive community.

understand that part well thx for the input, i wouldn't consider myself much more than a noob when it comes to the bigger linux picture, so i'm mostly all ears when it comes to that and throw in my 2c

I do know what does or doesn't appeal to me though

imo, the free speech issue belongs somewhere else that can easily be pursued if anyone is interested

even just putting that, or any other distractions in an off topic area would allow or promote a focus in the main forums

you can have 2 forums that are set up virtually the same, but many diff ways in the HOW to go about it, one can have order or the opposite and even many things in between

i am certainly after focus in the main forums, with fundamentals that a post is primarily about the OP, stick to the topic or start another

a focus on being organized from the get go is also a positive or you have the opposite (or who knows what), or worse end up with a mess after all that work

all comes down to diff strokes for diff folks and what one is after, along with the the beauty or having options

pretty hard for anyone to fight a "it's like this" theme, particularly when there are options

"it's like this" also reminds me of micro and someone is gonna give me that with linux?!

don't get me wrong though, "it's like this" like anything else has a time and place and can certainly be positive

all depends on the reasons and motivations behind it along with personal preferences

edit - here are some recent comments from DW, imo, dealing with the never ending rootfest should be a prime priority, that would settle fundamental credibility issues for most
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?is...110718&mode=67
edit - here's a recent posting and how a (amount of posts) 13k poster (some of us call the water bug) in puppyworld alludes to Ubuntu and the issue of root
not an example of someone you want to speak on behalf of a distro or forum in any official capacity, but heh, it's puppyworld where everyone else is the problem

whereas this is how pclos deals with it
one way is about class and respect then you have the other (you decide), both show what a forum is about and your colors, not to mention setting a tone for others

puppyite has also spoken on these issues (here and in the past) and i expect a new direction particularly as a great interest has been expressed in regards to working or associating with ubuntu stuff

finally here's a first person account from a new puppy user

Puppy Linux Forum is now open. Moments ago I configured the domain name. Depending on where you are on the planet you may be able to visit or you may need to wait a day or two.

Members of the public interested in Puppy Linux are cordially invited to visit, register and begin posting. Please be advised however that there are automated measures in place to control registrations and posting. This will be the norm until such time as my first moderator comes onboard and things get routine. Speaking of moderators, I expect there will be more than a few eyebrows raised about who has joined my team. There will be an announcement made about this in the other place.

Any persons who intend mischief be advised that I have a rich set of automated tools at my disposal to control all activities on Puppy Linux Forum so my advice is don’t even bother registering.

I wish to thank XavierP for his input and Linux Questions for allowing me to post here. I also want to thank jonyo and others who have expressed sincere interest in the success of this project, thank you all!

I just deleted my first registrant Mystery X because he/she was using an anonomizer (proxy) in Germany.

While I would have liked to let this person join it is forbidden to use any kind of proxie or anomizing service to access Puppy Linux Forum.

Anyone wanting to join Puppy Linux Forum should please read the rules before registering. Thank you for your cooperation.

You realize that people living in some countries better use services for anomyzing if they don't want to have problems with their governments?

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I am sympathetic but a rule is a rule. Were I to make an exception to this rule I would be spitting in the faces of all other members.

The concept of member equality is the single most important aspect of Main Mission Statement and Rules. It is the reason I created the Puppy Linux Forum and is the complete opposite of the murga-linux farce.

I hope everyone no matter where they live understands the need for equality and fair play.