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Old 02-24-2021, 06:02 AM   #16
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Java, C#, JavaScript, Python. Or Go - it's simple and popular and literally designed for fresh junior developers that just got out of uni and don't know anything.

Or C if you wanna program low level controllers.


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Hello,
Which programming language in below list has a bright future and is OK for a beginner that just know a little knowledge in programming?
  1. Rust-Lang
  2. Scala
  3. Ruby
  4. C\C++
  5. Elixir
Which one is good for Security and which one is good for Kernel and operating system?
Any opinions welcomed.

Thank you.
  • Rust will not go anywhere.
  • Scala did not go anywhere. If you want a Java "transpiler" that will not go anywhere, but is gaining traction now - Kotlin. At least you won't have to waste time while it compiles.
  • Ruby is like Firefox - brought MVC to webdev just like Firefox brought other browsers to PCs and then people moved on.
  • C and C++ are here to stay - compilers are very good to make it run on modern CPUs (originally these were low level languages, but modern CPUs with out-of-order executions with wide decoders and god know what else just do not map to C code in any shape or form) and we don't have anything better AND popular.
  • Elixir - ooh, my guilty pleasure language. Lovely syntax, but it's a very niche language - of course in that niche (scalable reliable infrastructure) it's the best, because Erlang. It's good for messaging - either for message queues like Rabbit or just chat in apps/games, but completely falls flat if you try to use as a general purpose language - it has no third party packages compared to Java/C#/Python/Swift/etc to do thing you need and is insanely slow. Literally second day on your project you will google how to call C code, then write NIFs and recompile Erlang with --enable-dirty-schedulers.

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Old 02-24-2021, 12:18 PM   #17
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Agree on c & c++. It is horses for courses. Programmers never stop learning languages, unless they're in a niche. Even then, languages get dumped. Mac devs were using Objective C until Apple told them "Forget that lads. Swift is our new language, so learn that one."
 
Old 03-04-2021, 11:36 AM   #18
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Java, C#, JavaScript, Python. Or Go - it's simple and popular and literally designed for fresh junior developers that just got out of uni and don't know anything.

Or C if you wanna program low level controllers.


  • Rust will not go anywhere.
  • Scala did not go anywhere. If you want a Java "transpiler" that will not go anywhere, but is gaining traction now - Kotlin. At least you won't have to waste time while it compiles.
  • Ruby is like Firefox - brought MVC to webdev just like Firefox brought other browsers to PCs and then people moved on.
  • C and C++ are here to stay - compilers are very good to make it run on modern CPUs (originally these were low level languages, but modern CPUs with out-of-order executions with wide decoders and god know what else just do not map to C code in any shape or form) and we don't have anything better AND popular.
  • Elixir - ooh, my guilty pleasure language. Lovely syntax, but it's a very niche language - of course in that niche (scalable reliable infrastructure) it's the best, because Erlang. It's good for messaging - either for message queues like Rabbit or just chat in apps/games, but completely falls flat if you try to use as a general purpose language - it has no third party packages compared to Java/C#/Python/Swift/etc to do thing you need and is insanely slow. Literally second day on your project you will google how to call C code, then write NIFs and recompile Erlang with --enable-dirty-schedulers.
Thank you.
In your opinion, Java is better than Scala?
The Rust-Lang is not a replacement for C\C++?
 
Old 03-04-2021, 11:56 AM   #19
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Are you "just trying to start discussion", n00b_noob?

Stop being a help vampire.

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Old 03-04-2021, 12:21 PM   #20
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Thank you.
In your opinion, Java is better than Scala?
The Rust-Lang is not a replacement for C\C++?
these questions are meaningless/pointless. The [choosen] language always depends on a lot of different things. For example: environment, the requirements, resources, ....

For example if you wish to learn linux kernel you need to start with c. In other cases c can be useless.

You ought to find a goal for yourself and try to achieve it. Without that there is no reason to continue....
 
Old 03-04-2021, 12:47 PM   #21
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My advice is to get a project, and we'll tell you the language to do that in.

I heard of someone using Chuck for a project All the programmers are saying "Chuck - Whassat?" It's some niche windows sound card language and I gather you can write programs in it.
 
Old 03-04-2021, 04:09 PM   #22
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I feel like this is asking what is the winning lottery ticket number..
Then again, I also think C/C++ will exist long after we will.. Just my opinion.
 
Old 03-04-2021, 04:45 PM   #23
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Cobol.
 
Old 03-05-2021, 06:46 AM   #24
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Thank you for all opinions.
I asked this question because of https://www.zdnet.com/article/progra...-linux-kernel/. You tried to learn C\C++ and when you understand it, then it is not useful anymore. Linux use Rust-Lang!
 
Old 03-05-2021, 01:11 PM   #25
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You tried to learn C\C++ and when you understand it, then it is not useful anymore.
To which my reply would be "Nonsense"!

As this thread has not asked an answerable programming question, was prompted by a random web article and can never progress beyond one opinion vs another, it is not appropriate for the Programming forum and is being moved to the General forum.
 
Old 03-05-2021, 02:13 PM   #26
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The children of LISP aren't going to die out anytime soon.
 
Old 03-05-2021, 03:04 PM   #27
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The children of LISP aren't going to die out anytime soon.
Are you sure pressing Shift-0 a few hundred times wont finish them off...?

 
Old 03-06-2021, 02:19 PM   #28
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Are you sure pressing Shift-0 a few hundred times wont finish them off...?
Now that is a beGUILEing question.
 
Old 03-07-2021, 05:16 AM   #29
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Linux Kernel never be rewritten in a new programming language like Rust-Lang?
 
Old 03-07-2021, 07:53 AM   #30
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Linux Kernel never be rewritten in a new programming language like Rust-Lang?
Sorry to sound harsh, but is there a point to your questions? Have you not read or understood what's been said so far? If any of us could tell the future, I'm confident things would be a lot different.
 
  


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