Ok back in the days when the Adam and PCjunior along with the TI ruled the home desktops I learned BASIC. You know, Edlin. I wrote a simple Trignometry program in it just to better understand it. That was back then. I didn't stay current with programing (not my livelyhood). Now that I am going to start with Linux perhaps you could direct me to a similar program that I could use in the same capacity. I am trying to rekindle my intrest in programing. I think C and C++ is a little out of my league considering the time needed to understand it. What would be the closest thing to yesterday's basic that I could use in today's Linux.
Thank you for your time
Charles J. Hills

AS I see it you could lear bash scripting.... is pretty much like writing in the command line but using pipes and redirect, and of course loops binary decision making and multi decision making (CASE). Simply by knowing how to use a command you can write a simple script.... but when you get deep´in bash scripting you can create wonderull scripts. How advanced in linux are you??

Not at all advanced. I posted a message on the Newbe forum. look for "patch work" and read where I am.

I see. Now... I think the best high level language is bash+awk. Once you know those two you can do almost every simple task that could get a little trickie when doing it from a command line. For example recursiveley rename files but with a different character... that you could do witha a loop and a little awk.

If you want to learn a 'real' programmiung language... well, the best for linux is C, since the kernel is written in C. Still, this is a complex and very low level language and may not be easy to learn.

C is still not clasified as a low level language. It is still in the high level bracket

ie it has to be compiled into machine code to be executed

By your definition there is no such thing as a low level language. EVERYTHING has to be compiled into machine code! Even ASM needs to be compiled, if only to write executable headers. If we went by your definition of low level language the only thing that wouldn't be a LLL would be a debugger! C is a low-level language. If you can write directly to memory addresses, it's a low level language ... at least by my definition.

it's pretty simple... if you're a genius but not able to keep any command in mind, try BRAINFUCK (just type in a s-mashine) ..only 8 commands and totally turing

if youre well developed with your brain try the best language depending on subject

if youre pessimist, just try asm... and think about how a computer works... then you'll get to know that there are the base-logic operations AMD OR NOT which are combined to NAND NOR XOR etc. and then try understanding addition in logical math.. next try flipflopps ... you'll agree: If something already is working in the way you need it, make a unit, subroutine, function (or how ever you wanna call it) and use that one... a adder is a function for the logical term a addition .. you can use that term for combination to a multiplication and next for powering .. and so on...
...so, if you're very basically developing (a OS).. you'll have to try ASM fopr at least the first commands to the mashine... (the only OS I know which is written C++ is BeOS and also that one includes a huge amount of ASM) ...
The next steps you'll see is best to go by a asm-near lang.. such as C.. (filesystem, systemcalls etc.)
then you could try C++ for the Terminal ... or any ther easy to administrate langauge in huge projects...

and thats the was how developing works, first go to university (also without imatriculating if it's allowed) and learn everything in physics and math about logical terms... then you'll be able to do everything that you're able to imagine in that way, but it'll take some time of course...
for an example: Windows as an OS is running stable first since been called KaiRo (WinXP).. win3.1 was stable but not a OS, just an app

as long as i doan need to make anything very beatyful, i wont use XML, I'll keep on HtML, couse its easy to use and also portable... just a comparison for the ones who doan understand anything of progging but creating websites

ok sorry about the wording, but can you please define writing to memory.. I believe i can write to a memory address in VB but just give that memory address a value. go search on the googler and look for high level programming languages, VB is ment to be above c/c++/java. most ppl define C as high level language because its higher than asm i spose?.

Now please correct me if im wrong
VB is higher than c/c++
C/C++ is higher than asm
asm is higher than machine code

therefore c/c++ is classed as a high level language

Yes, VB>C/C++>ASM. But still C/C++ is considered as a low level language by many people since you can write to memory addresses directly.

For that matter Asam is also a high level language since there is ,achine code that is lower level. I think there is not a defined line between high and low level.... and i think that not defined line is above or below C/C++. Besides... does it really matter??? C is the first language after ASM... and now people don't use ASM any more... so we can say the C is the lower level language that is still in use by many programmers. And yes, there are still some things that need to be done in ASM... but they are small functions that need dynamic compilation and stuff like that.

G.P.P.,

what are you talking about? are you drunk? I can't make any sense of your post or why it's here. furthermore it's full of technical incosistenices.

Believe it or not a few people do use ASM as thier language of choice. Just google for "win32 asm".

You can't write directly to mem address with VB AFAIK.

Like you said, a few... compeared to the millons of C programmers, the asm programmers are JUST a few.

And <I think> he is talking about a variable... you write to A mem address with VB.. you can't choose it... in fact the OS does that.

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