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Old 02-08-2007, 05:52 PM   #31
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I would still defend the point that building them *all* into one IDE would be wasteful. I'm an amateur programmer, and I do almost all of my GUI's in gtk and a little FLTK. Having Qt and WxWidgets built in would be wasteful. .
It's nice to be able to arrange the tools you need so that you exactly get what you like to work with. For instance I use emacs, so it's not really useful for me to change for an editor inside an integrated IDE, be it Kdevelop, Eclipse or any other that has half the functionality I use daily. Or maybe some do have some, but then tradeoffs have to be made and new key sequences have to be learned, etc... So when I do GUI stuff I use whichever visual GUI tool and keep the code in emacs. Last year I've worked some time updating a project that had about 1000 classes and some 10,000 methods (ebrowse statistics) on the user app side, and a huge class library as helper for CORBA stuff in C++ and I did not miss any so-called fancy IDE that are too commonly hyped.

When it comes down to it, just about any software is a work of architecture first and while a graphical UML tool can be useful, the core of the matter resides in the designer's approach. The metaphor of the fanboy-type of developer who hypes any new tool there is would be the guy who goes to the hardware store to buy $2000 worth of tools thinking this will make him a better carpenter.

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Old 02-08-2007, 05:58 PM   #32
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Borlands attempts to develop a cross platform environment (Klyx ?) was a dead duck, because their starting base was too tightly integrated into the original platform.
That was Kylix. It simply had no chance for all the reasons mentionned in this thread. And then you had to buy it. While every thing else (GTK, Qt, you name it) is free. And then it was built over Qt 2.0 and stayed like this while Qt evolved. And then it uses Pascal which is not that popular, on Linux at least. Kylix was a bad idea right from the start. Only people 'loyal' to Borland and with minimal knowledge of the Linux scene could get into that.

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