Clue to naysayers:
If you don't like it, don't use it. Shut up about it. Emacs and vi(m) have their places obviously, if people still choose to use them. I happen to like them both, because I can get things done much faster in them than I can in any other editor I've ever used. But just because you don't think it's worth the time to learn them doesn't mean you have to blather on and on about it. Blah blah blah these points have all been made before and yet people still choose to use them (and they even get new users!)

That is all.

What I WANT is a good text based IDE with a decent UI that has killer editor functionality.

From what Im hearing.... emacs is an editor with a little dab of IDE wedged in. The exact opposite of what Im looking for....

Since this doesnt exist in Unix, Im forced to compare the Text based IDE functionality of Emacs to the X based functionality of the other IDE's

Maybe if there was a way to complete strip out all of the useless stuff from view so that only the editor functionality were available, Id be more interested in using emacs as an editor....

For example...(this is what I mentioned from the beginning) if I want to edit a .java file, emacs should DEFAULT to treating it as a text file (if it is an editor)... not assuming that I wish to treat the file as a SOURCE file just because the file has a .java extention. It makes JAVA IDE style assumptions by default.

This is not cool for an editor. It is cool, and expected, for a JAVA IDE.

get me?

In short... I should have to turn the JAVA IDE assumptions ON... not figure out how to turn them off since emacs is an editor and NOT a JAVA IDE. But the emacs designers chose to muddle editor an IDE together.

Just imagine this... you were using Windows, and opened a .java file in Microsoft Word, and Word by default decided to impose their style of JAVA indenting/tab conversion on the file... and you had to scan help to figure out how to stop getting it to do that. Not cool or expected from an editor/word processor.

I disagree with most of that, but I think we're both getting bored (and God knows about everyone else )

Alex

Oh I get it... you must have one o dem new fangled machines that forces you to read this stuff huh? Does it come with surround sound?

Interesting how some folks "Tune In" to be bored.... Ha, ha, ha, ha, whew....man

But back to the topic....

At the very least, there should be clear lines of demarcation between the "Editor" emacs and the "IDE" emacs... This would give the best of both worlds, and at the same time provide 2 clear development paths. The editor development, and the IDE development. Or better yet... strip the IDE functionality from the stand alone editor... create an IDE, and embed the editor functionality into it. Now that would be cool.

I don't see the point of this discussion. You don't like it and are too stuborn to bother with learning something new. So you can either do something about it (ie learn it, find something else, make your own (shouldn't be hard for you with your 18 years of experience), etc) or go back to using something you like on Windows.

Personally i think you're bitching just because you're to lazy to really invest time in learning something new.

Have a nice day...

Emacs is clearly inferior:
http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/srom/

It has a greater percentage of suck than even pico

Sigh... yes... poor reading comprehension is a bitch.

The point of this discussion is simple... Folks are expressing their opinions as to what they consider to be good or bad about editors/IDE's

If you couldnt figure this out from reading the posts.... sigh.... blame your State's Educational System, not me.

The things I like about Pico are:

1) Its JUST an editor... it doesnt try to Jam 3 or 4 other tools in there.

2) It uses industry standard hotkey notation ^X, ^G, and so on...

3) It doesnt take reading a book before you can use it. You pop it up, and bingo... you are editing. No studying required.

The things I dont like about Pico are:

1) It has very limited funtionality

2) I dont like the names of some of the options (ex: Where Is vs Search) Its interesting... in the Pico Help... the 1st thing it says about the WhereIS hotkey is that it Searches for text.... If they would have called it Search or Find instead of WhereIS that would have been obvious...

3) From what I see you can only load 1 file at a time...


As far as vi goes:


Vi is cool, but I dont like the whole Lack of Hotkeys thing... I think that many of the things done in Vi . (Help,Quit,Save, and so on) should just be accessible via hotkeys instead of having to get to the VI command prompt etc...

I dont want to have to hit ESC-:-q [ENTER] to quit.... ^X should be enough..

And... I want the editor to just ask me if I want to save my file, instead of demanding that I save, or do a q! to exit....

Textpad is a kick-ass editor and is very stable on Wine, that's what I write HTML/PHP/JavaScript/JSP on in Linux.

HOLY CRAP, people!!!!!

You're arguing over a TEXT EDITOR! I can't even get a word in because the replies are coming in so FAST!

oopicmaster, sounds to me like you want Wordpad, LOL. I'm outta here...

Chris

Hmmm,,,, This IS a Computer board you know... What should we be arguing about? Antelope?

Please don't insult me. Just because i can write in English, doesn't mean i form one of your states. But i guess having something stuck up your ass makes you more ignorant.

And going back, the reason i considered this thread pointless is, like cjwsb put it nicely:
Have you ever heard of constructing critique? As in you complain, yet at the same time offer a possible solution. You on the other hand just seem to complain due to your lack of actual dedication to learning something new. Infact you could've used all this bitching time to actually get aquanted with one of the editors mentioned.

Have a wonderfull day!

I like you reply, coolman0stress.
One statement made me laugh...
And another I agree with...

A) Have you heard of.... If the Topic doesnt interest you... dont read it?

B) I dont want to get aquainted with emacs. Its a crappy editor.

C) Wherever you are from... blame your states educational system (not me) if you do not possess the reading comprehension skills necessary to understand what the topic is about.

Back to the topic.....

Another editor is KWrite... good, easy to use, but I think its only X based...

sigh...

I guess, the best textbased editor Im going to find is still setedit.

Just use NetBeans for all your Java needs and be done with it