vi on the cli and kate in kde

Nobody here has recommended pico or nano yet . Very easy to use too

But Seriously... EMacs has to be THE WORST editor ever created by man!

Ahem...

Its not a BUFFER... its a File... GEEZUUZZZ!

Oh yeah... let me Switch Buffers!.... Uh....Crap!

But there are those who swear by Emacs...

Why you say?

Simple.... Because human beings can get used to crap!

It doesnt mean that it isnt crap... just because you are used to it!

I mean DAMN.... I can get used to living in a Cave.... that doesnt make it the Taj Mahal!

Pico is definitely better than EMACS... .Although Pico still makes the same mistake of calling a FILE a buffer.

Neither PICO, Emacs, or vi are better than EDIT in Windows! Linux needs an EDIT clone!

Bluefish is good... BUT... it doesnt have a NON X version, so I cant use it from the command line when Im not running X.... sigh!

Why not write on yourself or hack the code of pico or emacs and change the text from "BUFFER" to "FILE"?

JAVA programmers generally are so disordered...

Man! Identation is the key!

If you held a gun to my head and told me to use vi, I would. I try, but it's a pain. If you held a gun to my head and told me to use EMACS, I'd say 'pull the trigger'. I tend to use joe like others have mentioned and I like nedit and gedit (simpleton here! ) in X. Gedit for simple plain text editing sometimes, because it has tabs and nedit doesn't and sometimes I like tabs. Both are pretty straightforward editors. You don't need RH9 to get gedit - it's part of gnome and, if you've got the right libs, you can run it alone. I haven't found a simple tabbed text editor that isn't part of gnome or kde, which sucks, as I'd like to do without those apps entirely.

I don't know if you were serious about EDIT but, either way, you might want to give mcedit a try - it's part of the mc file manager and is a version of cooledit. mc and mcedit paid attention to what was going on in DOS. Cooledit's kinda funky imo, but mcedit's okay.

Oh, and if you were seriously serious, just plug in dosemu and run EDIT, itself.

As usual, you have no shortage of choices - finding anything worth choosing's the trick.

One of these days I'll get the hang of vim, though. Maybe.

Then again, people knock DOS for inflicting edlin on the world but it's a straight rip of ed - Unix is actually to blame for that one - and line editors are actually easier to use than EMACS or Vim, both of which are actually just multi-line editors rather than screen editors. They are immensely powerful but that doesn't change the fact that they are fundamentally primitive - their evolution is defined by inferior hardware and screwed up networking limitations that no PC editor has ever had to suffer from. So the step up from edlin was not to some multi-line weirdness but to a true screen editor like EDIT. That's an inferior implementation, but as other DOS and Windows editors show - and as all newer Linux apps demonstrate by *being* screen editors - it's a superior class. Developers and users just need to stop treating them as inferior based on the low demands of most users and the mystique of EMACS and vi. Things like NoteTabLight are extremely powerful screen editors.

Im not strictly a JAVA programmer, Im a VB, C, C++, Pascal, JAVA, Assembler programmer with 18+ years of coding experience on PC platforms.

I always indent my code. However, I do not want an editor to force me to do so in a manner in which the editor sees fit.

Yes Im serious, if you go to a command prompt in Windows, and type EDIT, it brings up a plain simple text editor....

Ah. Well, I always found it a little *too* simple, though the Ctrl-P thing is sweet. Well, like I say, mcedit's not far removed and dosemu is an easy install - just grab the latest binary.

mcedit may try to indent you - I can't remember - but if it does, it's easily switched off, I think. And I agree with you - programs volunteering a lot of stuff I neither typed nor configured annoy me, too.

Yep, I also hate cars that do that too!

Like some cars automatically unlock ALL the doors depending upon how you turn the key in the door lock!

Whos DUMB idea was that?

I call this kind of thing.... being "Technically Rude".... a person shouldnt be made to feel stupid by using a product.

This is one area where Microsoft has made MAJOR contributions to the computing industry... the whole standardized look and feel, thing.

Nano for console and BlueFish for X!!!

How about KWrite? Cool colours...indents only if you want it to indent...try it...personally i'd suggest using Emacs...it's a great IDE and what more, it's by Stallman himself...Vi is small, faster and easier...

Emacs is the worst editor ever created! It is so NOT user friendly! It has menu options that dont make sense....

For example.... the Files menu vs the Buffers menu... Shouldnt these just be 1 menu? What is it... a file or a buffer? Then... in the Buffers menu there is the List All Buffers option which PRINTS all of the "Buffers" to the screen! Dumb! Maybe the Authors of Emacs never heard about popup dialog windows? Again... Emacs is WAY too intrusive on the user... A good design would be to have it default to just a plain old text editor, then if the user desides to they can turn on options as they wish....

To the Author(s) of Emacs!...

1) Please study basic user friendly GUI design 101!

2) Learn what a popup dialog is!

3) Choose either File or Buffer terminology! Having both is very confusing! Ill make the choice for you... get rid of the Buffer terminology altogether!

4) Rearrange your menus so that they make sense! Customize, and Options DONT BELONG IN THE HELP MENU!


Thanks.

The Voice of Reason

Nice reasoning...always easier said than done...Why don't you hack the code and make emacs more useful, user friendly and with those popup dialogs? No offense meant, but I think you are not using the complete features of emacs...it's not just an editor, its complete IDE. Well, I use Vim mostly, but sometimes I do code with emacs(Xemacs).

Heck... Maybe I will just write an editor myself...

Does anyone know of any good Text based windowing libraries out there for C++?

Thats where all of these editors EMacs, vi,joe,pico, nano, etc, are lacking...

I WANT TO HIT ALT-F-X to exit the editor DAMMIT!

I WANT THE EDITOR TO ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS! Instead of "Do you want to Lose your changes" I want the editor to ask "Do you want to Save"

I WANT POPUP DIALOG BOXES!

I WANT A FILE CALLED A FILE... NOT A BUFFER!

I WANT MY STATUS BAR AT THE BOTTOM NOT THE TOP!

INSTEAD OF ^O-WriteOut, I WANT ^S-Save

INSTEAD OF ^W-Where is I WANT ^F-Find and ^R-Find/Replace and in Find/Replace I WANT TO SPECIFY TO REPLACE ALL CASE SENSITIVE!

I WANT TO USE THE SAME EDITOR IN TEXT OR X MODE!


Am I asking too much?