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Old 07-22-2009, 04:03 AM   #1
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not trolling... but every mac ive had sucks....


macs as a whole suck... they take a unix system pretty it up... then when new libraries come out (open and closed)... they change the appearance and call it a new os....and charge you to upgrade...wtf...
i paid almost 2 grand for a mac a few years ago and i cant even instant message on it with the popular protocols or use the latest programs that an x86 300mz cpu can do with open source... most emulators run better on x86... games are better... and on the newer macs most of the popular software is emulated (imho making it even more crass)...
you cant buy games/software or hardware at your local walmart... and wtf i cant even upgrade my java (which i thought was pretty much apples thing..) even if i decided to go open source the options are few and there are few developers... i know there are ppc linux distros but you are completely dependent on them for upgrades and updates (just like mac so whats the point) Im mainly pissed at the ppc architecture... and mac sold all these ideas and pushes these puppies till they puked... now they bail and start opting the intel side... whats the friggin point?...
buy a mac with intel and guess what you just have another option for a propritory os on a pc... i will never buy another mac... the new commercials for mac are a joke... i would trade my ppc 5 1g ram to some shmuck for a pentium 3 with 512 and xp (id repartition the hd to accomadate linux and a few other tools of course) but at least i would know i could walk into walmart buy a stick of ram, video card... and a wifi adaptor that would be compatible (maybe even buy a couple of good mmorpg's or something) who knows.... maybe macs are better than pc's according to the commercials but im a pc... hear me roar (no wait thats what certain species of cats do) ... arghhh...
 
Old 07-22-2009, 04:54 AM   #2
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Ok---so what is your question?
 
Old 07-23-2009, 03:29 AM   #3
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why do macs suck so bad and what are yours guys opinions on ppc/vs/x86 and the such
 
Old 07-23-2009, 06:17 AM   #4
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Only you can answer why you don't like Macs....

Google will find LOTS of material on why Apple moved from ppc to x86.

So now we know that you don't like the latest Macs........What DO you like?
 
Old 07-23-2009, 09:36 AM   #5
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So now we know that you don't like the latest Macs........What DO you like?
Pina Colada's and getting caught in the rain?


I'm quite partial to Carrot Cake myself.


edit (I probably should add something on topic):

The thing is, when you buy an apple product, you know you're getting into a closed ecosystem. It's the way Apple have always done things. This doesn't make them more or less 'sucky', it's just the way they do things.

It's also the reason I don't own any Apple products, but that's my choice.

It's a shame to see the PowerPC platform die out(I know it's still going strong in enterprise kit, but I'm talking consumer here.) just as it was when Alpha went away. PPC was about the only reasonable alternative to the x86 out there, but the architecture did have some engineering issues that was holding it back (If I remember correctly, heat generation restricting the speed they could be run at was one of the main ones).

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Old 07-30-2009, 08:19 PM   #6
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Interesting that Apple has just posted record sales and profits. They have something like 18 straight quarters of outpacing the PC market. Their market share has grown. They'll never be a majority, because they are a high end product, not a Walmart mass market.

Meanwhile, what was it we just heard about Microsoft? They posted their largest loss ever? Something on the order of 10 digit losses? Awesome.

Must be some people who like Macs.

Don't really care if you can't figure out how to run yours. So don't buy another. If you don't like them, you shouldn't. Check out the Microsoft ads and run get yourself one of those HPs they are recommending. Blow away the Microsoft install, set it up with Linux, come back with your positive stories.
 
Old 07-30-2009, 10:18 PM   #7
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Macs?

Not more better or worse than anything else...I've had the same experience running a Mac as I do running a PC or a PC running Linux...

...I don't understand the people who tie themselves to one technology...
 
Old 07-30-2009, 10:34 PM   #8
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not trolling... but every mac ive had sucks....
One of the better examples of "not trolling" that I have seen in a while.......

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They posted their largest loss ever? Something on the order of 10 digit losses?
That does not sound right to me....
 
Old 08-01-2009, 08:49 AM   #9
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They {MSFT} posted their largest loss ever? Something on the order of 10 digit losses?
That does not sound right to me....
Correct. I should have fact checked myself before posting. I haven't been able to find the report I was relating. I heard it on the radio, so I can only guess now what it was they actually said. What I have been able to find is "Microsoft Corp.'s ($23.37, -$2.19, -8.57%) fiscal fourth-quarter profit dropped 29% as revenue fell broadly, including in its client division. Shares fell as the company's revenue figures badly missed analysts' expectations." (Wall Street Journal, July 24, 2009).

Given that their profits are in the 10 digit range, what I might have heard was that their drop in profits was 10 digit. Their share prices fell 8.5% that day. Given their market capitalization, that's also a 10 digit loss on the market.

Anyway, back to Linux/UNIX/Mac and the no Microsoft zone.

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Old 08-01-2009, 09:45 AM   #10
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I'm becoming partial to Thai food.
So far I like the Gaeng Keow Wan and the Som Tam ... Coconut ice cream ...
I'm hungry.

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Old 08-01-2009, 10:36 AM   #11
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Macs?

Not more better or worse than anything else...I've had the same experience running a Mac as I do running a PC or a PC running Linux...

...I don't understand the people who tie themselves to one technology...
Do you know any other Computer , who can connect as easy as a MAC to remote speakers and a TV ?
And wireless of course
 
Old 08-01-2009, 07:55 PM   #12
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OS X, ironically, is a genuine Unix, whereas the BSDs aren't. (This means that Apple paid a lot of money and the BSDs didn't--it's just one of those things that I find amusing.)

At any rate, my two biggest complaints about them are the difficulty in accessing hardware to do something--even some power macs require complete disassembly to access the power supply--and the fact that said hardware often seems to die as soon as Apple care runs out.

As for the hardware restrictions, this depends upon my mood--sometimes, I think it makes them worse than MS, other times, I feel that it's actually a pretty smart decision, meaning they have to support only a few different types of hardware, rather than hundreds.

They're overpriced of course, but as has often been demonstrated, not as grossly overpriced as they seem, when compared to PCs of similar specs.

I also think some of the cost goes for customer service--in *my* experience, which, while it doesn't match everyone's, seems to be fairly common, it's quite good. Where another company might scrimp on their support--how many folks have run into tech support that simply reads from a script, often, in a difficult to understand accent, despite, ironically enough, being outsourced to a country where there are probably millions who speak the language of the country they're supporting with no accent, but would probably cost more? Whereas, when I've had to call Apple tech support, I get someone who is apparently well trained, both from a technical and customer service standpoint, and such employees cost money.

So, all I can say is that my experience doesn't match yours.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 08:05 PM   #13
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A similar situation may take place for Linux. Instead of OS X hiding the underlining OS, you may have a Google desktop environment claiming to be an OS. Look at the user interfaces for some netbooks.
 
Old 08-01-2009, 08:46 PM   #14
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Let alone what I like to term, "UbunDora," to refer to all the desktop oriented distributions. The majority of them, these days, tie sound and networking to the GUI as well as giving a nice pretty boot screen so that, just like MS and Apple, you can't see what's happening as they boot.

We dinosaurs feel it's a regression, but it seems to be what the majority want to see.
 
Old 08-03-2009, 12:20 AM   #15
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Either a troll, or a hangover waiting to happen. "Moderators, if you please..."
 
  


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