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Old 08-18-2009, 10:53 AM   #16
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Hmm, there is something of a déjà-vu in your posting. It looks like you will never forget/forgive these unfortunate Sun (and Intel for that matter) issues
In any case, it is IMHO unrelated to the Commercial Unix OP question.
It would have happened equally if the E10K were running Gnu/Linux, Windows or even HP-UX ...
 
Old 08-18-2009, 01:35 PM   #17
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I posted what I did only in response to comments on Sun hardware stability. If you didn't think hardware stability should be part of the discussion you shouldn't have challenged Shadowcat's comments about pizza boxes.

Certainly I have posted it before in other threads just as you've likely posted your preferences more than once.

Will I forget it? No.
Am I saying it is a reason to never use Sun? No.
I clearly indicated the "never use sun again" was stated by an Exec. Since this was at a Fortune 100 company it seems germane to me.

I've made my living at one job on a large Solaris DB installation migrated from HP-UX (where the app tier stayed on HP-UX)and also at another job where everything was Sun/Solaris. I've also made my living on AT&T, SCO, HP-UX, Linux, Astrix (NEC), NCR (For the short period they ran AT&T's computer business), AIX, Dynix and even Xenix. I have preferences and feel free to express them but other than Xenix there aren't any variants that made me say "I'll never work on that again."

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Old 08-20-2009, 12:46 AM   #18
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I use AIX at work and it has some interesting built-in features:
  • Virtualizing
  • Central management
  • Smit admin/configuration tool (menu driven tool to do _everything_)
  • OS reporting any problems directly to IBM (you can get a call from IBM saying "you've got a problem with..." and you haven't even noticed)
  • Live upgrade of software and firmware(!)
  • Hardware and software support

These are just a few things I appreciate with AIX.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 06:45 AM   #19
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Of course HP-UX has its own administration tool (SAM) and dial home capabilities if you want HAO. I suspect with AIX like with HP-UX you have to pay extra for this capability in your support contract. Solaris' support model and admin tools seemed not to be quite as good. Of course if you're a real admin you learn how to do everything from command line anyway as the admin tools slow you down.

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Old 08-20-2009, 08:26 AM   #20
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Of course HP-UX has its own administration tool (SAM) and dial home capabilities if you want HAO. I suspect with AIX like with HP-UX you have to pay extra for this capability in your support contract. Solaris' support model and admin tools seemed not to be quite as good. Of course if you're a real admin you learn how to do everything from command line anyway as the admin tools slow you down.
Don't quote me on this, but I think dial home is included in the (hefty) price tag. I don't think you can opt for it, but you can choose to not set it up...

The beauty of Smit is that when you do something for the first time, you can use the menu. There's an option to see what command is actually run, which means you also can learn something in the process.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 08:34 AM   #21
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The beauty of Smit is that when you do something for the first time, you can use the menu. There's an option to see what command is actually run, which means you also can learn something in the process.
Same benefit in SAM on HP-UX. I've learned a few esoteric tricks on HP-UX by checking what it did after the fact.

I wish all tools did that - what I really like is the way Veritas Volume Manager does things - you can do something in the GUI and get the full command line it used in the tab at the bottom.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 11:37 AM   #22
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jlliagre thanks a million for your informative postback on my questions I hope this will benefit others in the future ..

It is obvious that many commercial UNIX distributions have alot of interesting tools that have not yet made it into the Linux-kernel ..

I hope to see more people to comment this thread, especially people using HP-UX, AIX or others that are more rarely used.

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Old 08-20-2009, 01:26 PM   #23
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While certain UNIX variants have specific proprietary tools you shouldn't take that to mean they are better than Linux/FOSS. From my experience the Linux equivalents of many UNIX commands have far more options and capabilities. So much so that many FOSS things are loaded in UNIX systems either by the UNIX vendor or by the 3rd party tools. Some examples are Sendmail and Perl which are usually installed on UNIX by the vendors as well as Apache installed by Oracle for its apps and a modified GNU tar installed by Symantec/Veritas Netbackup.

It isn't so much "which is better" as "which fits the need". If you can do a job with a cheap PC running a Linux distribution then it makes little sense to buy a proprietary solution from one of the big UNIX Vendors.
 
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Test - PLease ignore.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 03:37 PM   #25
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While certain UNIX variants have specific proprietary tools you shouldn't take that to mean they are better than Linux/FOSS.
Indeed, being proprietary doesn't imply anything particular about code quality. People like architects / developers and development models are factors that affect code quality. The license used has no significant impact on the initial code and closed source licenses are more likely to have a negative one to the code evolution.

It is worth noticing that all the Solaris features I described are not proprietary but available as free and open source software.

That allowed for example ZFS and Dtrace to be freely ported to freeBSD and Mac OS X.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 03:59 PM   #26
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Not proprietary any more you mean. SunOS and Solaris were proprietary for most of their life and Opensolaris is relatively new to the FOSS world. I applaud Sun for making it open source though.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 04:10 PM   #27
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That is correct. Dtrace code was released in spring 2005 and ZFS slightly later.
 
Old 08-20-2009, 05:30 PM   #28
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I use AIX at work and it has some interesting built-in features:
  • Virtualizing
  • Central management
  • Smit admin/configuration tool (menu driven tool to do _everything_)
  • OS reporting any problems directly to IBM (you can get a call from IBM saying "you've got a problem with..." and you haven't even noticed)
  • Live upgrade of software and firmware(!)
  • Hardware and software support

These are just a few things I appreciate with AIX.

yeah, I love AIX.
the hardware has a preprocessor that sets up the hardware virtualization and it's just awesome.
you can also get amazingly granular when it comes to performance tweaking from io, mem tweaks, etc...
there is so much redundancy that I've never seen it just flat out crash or reboot.
SMIT's best thing is it has a CLI and GUI interface, plus the little guy that runs while it executes the command is the bomb!
 
Old 08-24-2009, 10:25 AM   #29
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the hardware has a preprocessor that sets up the hardware virtualization and it's just awesome.
you can also get amazingly granular when it comes to performance tweaking from io, mem tweaks, etc...
Can you tell more about what hardware that has this hardware virtualization and what about the performance tweaking on IO and Mem how does it work? ..

Thanks alot all for your great inputs, I hope to see more exotic blends here soon ..
 
Old 08-28-2009, 04:35 AM   #30
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In my opinion, ZFS is THE killer feature. Because of bit rot. Studies at CERN shows that, in practice, one byte on every 30MB will show bit rot. ALL your data is at risc, and the hardware doesnt even notice it! Read more:
ZFS main architect explains more about ZFS
http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1317400

CERN studies:
http://storagemojo.com/2007/09/19/ce...tion-research/

Setting up a home server by a Linux guy:
http://breden.org.uk/2008/03/02/a-ho...ver-using-zfs/
 
  


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