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Old 09-12-2004, 01:55 PM   #1
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Wine Install


I installed Mandrake 10 last week. Today I installed Wine from the RPM package on the CD. The Install program said it installed but I can't find it listed under applications anywhere. How do I run the program?

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Old 09-12-2004, 05:02 PM   #2
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winger, I use the Gnome desktop Wine is located in: Applications/more applications/emulators/wine
 
Old 09-12-2004, 05:54 PM   #3
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In the console,

cd /usr/bin
wine path_to_executable

where path_to_executable is the path to the windows program you want to run
 
Old 09-12-2004, 09:34 PM   #4
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Hamic,
i logged in on the Gnome desktop but there is no emulators listed under more applications (or anything else). For some reason It seems your desktop differs from mine.



caladbolg,
I would like to look at the program (Wine) and get some idea what it is supposed to do, some documentation or something before I take a chance on it screwing up my windows programs, directories, etc. I appeciate your reply but I would like a little hand holding here.

Winger
 
Old 09-13-2004, 05:06 PM   #5
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When I installed Wine on my Mandrake 10, it didn't put an "icon" anywhere. Instead, you have to open a terminal and type the word "wine" in order to see anything happen. Or, you can browse to your WIndows partition, if you have a dual boot system, and try running software.

Before you get too far into this, let me share with you my 40 hours of fighting with Wine.

I tried to install Photoshop using it. It will not install. I played with config files and read endless articles on the internet - no go. I tried to use IE with it - no go. I tried installing office - no go.

Then I asked myself, "If I have Gimp, OpenOffice.org, and Konqueror, then what the hell am I doing?" So I stopped. No more wine for me.

I went into the control center and uninstalled that hackwarez and kicked it off my box. It's junk. Forget about it.
 
Old 09-13-2004, 08:41 PM   #6
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Linux24,

Thanks. I appreciate the information about your experience with the product. The only thing I wanted it for was quicken, but unless the program was rock stable I certainly wouldn't want to trust my financial data to it. So I guess I don't care how you boot it.

I tried GNU Money but it just doesn't fill the bill.

As a aside, even in Windows, I prefer Open Office, Gimp and Mozilla Firefox so that is no sacrifice. The only time I fall back to MS Office is when I am sending an attachment that absolutely must be 100% readable by the recipient who I know will be using those programs.

Winger
 
Old 09-13-2004, 10:24 PM   #7
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Linux24,

Thanks. I appreciate the information about your experience with the product. The only thing I wanted it for was quicken, but unless the program was rock stable I certainly wouldn't want to trust my financial data to it. So I guess I don't care how you boot it.
Exactly my feelings, too. I figured, I don't want to be 35 hours into editing this set of images for a web site, and then have photoshop suddenly die on me when I push the save button. Even it I got it working, I would never trust it. For me, anyway, Wine is just nothing more than someone's curiosity project. "Can we do it?" Maybe they can, but if it were for sale on shelves and the company that made Wine held an IPO, they'd be sued out of existence in a month.

Now, that being said, there *are* other products out there that do what Wine tries to do better than Wine does it. I read good things about something called Crossover Office, and something else called VMWare that are commercial products that are reasonably affordable that will run your windows stuff. And if your machine is powerful enough, you might not notice the performance hit you take with them.


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I tried GNU Money but it just doesn't fill the bill.
Now that regular end users are porting over to Linux, the lack of Linux versions of major software becomes an issue that Linux and software manufacturers must take seriously.

I would write a letter to Intuit Software and tell them you have switched, and are leaving their product behind.

Then I would search to see if GNUCash is the only quicken thing out there for linux.

This is an interesting article about switching to Linux and needing your Quicken.

http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4405/1/

Here is a link to coeweavers, the guys that make crossover office and the success they have. Read about Quicken. They say it will run - mostly.

http://www.codeweavers.com/site/prod...upported_apps/

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As a aside, even in Windows, I prefer Open Office, Gimp and Mozilla Firefox so that is no sacrifice. The only time I fall back to MS Office is when I am sending an attachment that absolutely must be 100% readable by the recipient who I know will be using those programs.

Winger
I use OpenOffice.org to edit word docs and send them back to my office and email them to coworkers for further editing without issues as long as I save them as Word97/2000 format.

Have you had trouble?
 
Old 09-14-2004, 10:30 AM   #8
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Uh, guys, CrossOver Office *is* Wine, but one that's tested and released as a product instead of the random CVS snapshots you've been installing.

There is virtually no performance penalty to using Crossover. If you *need* Office, Photoshop, or any of the other supported apps, buy it and they'll run. You get tech support if for some reason they don't (odd distro etc)
 
Old 09-14-2004, 11:40 AM   #9
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Linux24

I investigated the websites you listed. They both indicated that even with CrossOver, Quicken is a little buggy, so I think I will have to keep Windows a while longer. I may be a little paranoid about this but I have many years of financial data at risk. With securities, it doesn't matter how much time passes, you need the original price and all the splits, spin-offs, etc. to establish a basis for tax purposes. I keep backups, but if a file is corrupted and you don't realize it, what is backed up is also corrupt. I did have this happen with Quicken some years ago. Fortunately I had an even older backup so I was able to rebuild from there, but is was a pain.

I did search for other programs but I can't find anything beside GNUCash that even claims to be a full financial program.

As for using OO to save in MS Office format, I never has any problem with Word but I have with Excel. Perhaps if I avoided using the build in formulas it would be all right, but that makes more work. Incidentally, I just can't get OO to print envelopes well. Life is hard.

Winger
 
Old 09-14-2004, 12:29 PM   #10
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WINE doesn't search your hard disk and set up icons for Windows programs, neither does it add icons to your kde/gnome/whatever desktop/menu when you install a windows program using it.
It's only an API not a Graphical interface, and it's still in ALPHA Check the WINE listing at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wine/
 
Old 09-28-2004, 05:28 AM   #11
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With KDE, wine should show on the menu: applications/emulators/wine. However, there will not be anything on the wine menu for running Win apps. To run Win apps just open the file containing the .exe program and click on the .exe icon. Wine should automatically run.

Visit the offical wine site for documentation and the latest RPM: http://www.winehq.com/.
I highly recommend getting a newer version of wine than the RPM that comes with the Mandrake CDs.

The latest version of wine does run Photoshop 7 and will also automaticaly add newly installed windoze programs to your menu.
 
Old 09-28-2004, 07:03 PM   #12
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With KDE, wine should show on the menu: applications/emulators/wine. However, there will not be anything on the wine menu for running Win apps. To run Win apps just open the file containing the .exe program and click on the .exe icon. Wine should automatically run.

Visit the offical wine site for documentation and the latest RPM: http://www.winehq.com/.
I highly recommend getting a newer version of wine than the RPM that comes with the Mandrake CDs.

The latest version of wine does run Photoshop 7 and will also automaticaly add newly installed windoze programs to your menu.
I was using the latest version of wine when I tried these things out - I was not using the CD version. I downloaded straight from winehq and installed it.

Some very few people have gotten Photoshop 7 to install. No one has gotten Photoshop 8 (CS) to install that I have read. Those that do get Photoshop to install and "run" report, from everything that I have read, that it is far too unstable to use as an editor under Linux if you are going to be doing any sort of serious labor in it. You cannot be knee deep in your work in Photoshop and have it crash. You just can't. It has to be rock solid, and under Linux, it's not.

The issues with MS Office are the same. Some people get it to install, and some get it running - mostly. But really, it's still not stable enough that I would put a business requirements document in it and shoot it back to my office. I can't afford to have the software make errors and goof up my editing or the appearance of the document.

This is why Wine and products like it are the wrong way to go in the long run. Linux is desktop ready, but the major applications out there do not have linux versions. We need a, yes I am going to say it, Linux version of MS Office from Microsoft, since companies are in it so deep with that software that they are unlikely to ever let go of it. We need Adobe to make a Linux version of Photoshop. Why not? They make a Linux version of Adobe reader, even though there is a native PDF reader incorporated with most Linux distributions. We need a single, stable, all-encompassing video/music player that functions properly for OLE/IDE calls without crashing (like XMMS which crashes in KDE if you double click an MP3 and then do it again and again). Basically we need the MS Media Player.

The stuff we have now brings Linux to a level where it is now a threat to Windows and Apple dominance. To overtake them, we must have rock-solid applications fully and totally compatible in all ways with our stuff at the office. OpenOffice.Org is *not*. It's close, but it's just not.

That's why wine is, imo, a curiosity. It's for tinkering and having fun trying to make something work. For actually using this stuff, well, I find that I still have to drop back to Windows to get reliability. WIndows itself is unreliable, insecure, slow, and high-maintenance, but the applications that run in it are, compared to running them under wine or the comparable package under Linux, more reliable and safe to use from a professional perspective.

Today.

What happens next year is hard to say.
 
Old 09-28-2004, 07:10 PM   #13
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WINE doesn't search your hard disk and set up icons for Windows programs, neither does it add icons to your kde/gnome/whatever desktop/menu when you install a windows program using it.
It's only an API not a Graphical interface, and it's still in ALPHA Check the WINE listing at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wine/
I ignored this post the first time I saw it because it made my eyes roll. Don't assume we all don't know this already. We were not talking about icons for Windows programs. I was referring to wine installing an icon for *itself*, which it doen't do because, obviously, you either run it from the command line, or double click program icons in the file manager to use it.

And you are wrong about a graphical interface. There is a graphical interface for browsing programs using Wine available from winehq. It just isn't part of the big download for wine itself.

As far as it still being ALPHA, what do you call it when a programmer calls software that is a decade old an alpha because itt has never made it to beta or ever had a finalized release?

a. An excuse for never having to try to finish his work

b. A disclaimer so that true-believers will defend his software when users cannot make it work. "It's not supposed to work" they say.

c. A curiosity - tinkering project made by someone with no interest in completing it.

Wine is a waste. Don't bother. Either get a commercialized version like Crossover office, or remove it. That's my best recommendation for the man who wants to do stuff rather than configure for 100 hours and then receive 80% performance at best.
 
Old 09-29-2004, 04:47 AM   #14
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As a Wine developer, I'd have to agree with Linux24, painful though it is.

I'd also note that we're pushing for a 0.9 release somewhat soonish though. The TODO list is increasingly complete and in the past few weeks I did a lot of work on automatic configuration and a new GUI tool (winecfg). So hopefully at some point in the next year or so we can end the nonsense of perpetual alpha.
 
Old 09-29-2004, 05:07 AM   #15
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Oh and by the way, Office works great on crossover
 
  


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